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0. PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 1:14 am    Post subject: Elitism Reply with quote

Is it just me, or does anyone else just get tired of elitests? I mean, not people who can beat songs that you can't, but ones that will correct how you pronounce, critique your stepmotions in manners either unneeded or non-constructive, or comment on your song selection? ("Man, everyone picks this song, you should do Hyper Eurobeat instead") Those, and people who are the hardest of the hardcore of anti-bar usage (where they complain at you if you so much as touch the bar mid-song) kind of get on my bad side.

I haven't had to deal with anyone like that for a while since pretty much everyone at the arcade across the street is cool as hell, but it came up in conversation earlier tonight and got me thinking. I dunno, if I'm the only one then I'll shut up.
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1. PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 5:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've encountered players like that, but I'd consider them to be "overly enthusiastic", not "elitists". An elitist wouldn't even bother to talk to you because he'd consider you too far beneath him.

But yeah, it's kind of annoying, and I prefer not to run into those people, but I can understand where they're coming from, so it doesn't tick me off that much.
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2. PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 5:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whatever you do, don't play IIDX.

Yeah, there will be elitists in any community, especially in a community that started as exclusive as DDR's. Before the game hit mainstream, the community was more of a clique, and a lot of people hate giving that up, which is where a lot of elitism. Then there are other people who are just plain full of themselves (which is actually closer to what you're talking about, I think) who believe that their having more skill allows them to dictate the terms of the game to you. And that's going to happen no matter what you do or where you go.
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3. PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 11:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Elitism...

A form of strength, or a sign of weakness?

I'd say #2. I mean, if someone needs to berate you in order to valorize their own opinion, it simply means that their own beliefs and opinions hold to a thread.

Solution: don't even mind them. Ignoring such comments basically has the most destructive effect of all, since you don't give them elitists any meat to chew on. You just let them be, and do your own thing. That's gonna eat them alive.
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4. PostPosted: Wed Aug 18, 2004 12:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hmm...I have really never encountered anyone like that here in Nor Cal, and at the places that I play at don't have anyone who are an Elitist.... mostly what I encounter here in Nor Cal are just kids, and overly cocky...not Elitist though, oh yeah, did I mention kids who just stomp on the pad for no reason...
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5. PostPosted: Wed Aug 18, 2004 4:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kk i am not the best at ddr but onetime at an arcade i passed
paranoi rebirth 2x heavy
and i was all happy cause... usually people just do it on 1.5x

so ever since i play on 2x and use the bar... right

so this kid... who is like the p0s3rish kid at th earcade he wears these ninja toed shoes is like
psh why r u using the bar...
the barrrrrrrr is baaaaaaaaaaaad

and i am playing
and i am like excuse me for using the bar

let me see u pass the song on 2x with out using the bar
and he like totally shut up its was funny....cause it was like him
l337 to n00b
well anyways that is my
anti-bar story
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6. PostPosted: Wed Aug 18, 2004 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're lucky he was a poser, otherwise you would've felt stupid.
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7. PostPosted: Wed Aug 18, 2004 5:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I critique people when they ask for it. *and seeing my play songs like drop-out.. they sometimes do..*

I don't let people critique me... i think its baaaad. *could be they all play standard tho...*

ANYWAY. ITs good to be nice to n00bs... And someone who says they are l33t... are n00bs.
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8. PostPosted: Wed Aug 18, 2004 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

American Tokyo wrote:


ANYWAY. ITs good to be nice to n00bs....


This is so true.. When I was new, this one dude made fun of me this one time.. just a small thing, but it got me really mad and I never forgot about it. Well, I saw him again recently, challenged him, and beat him. It was so cool, although I don't think he knew who I was.. I didn't say anything.
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9. PostPosted: Wed Aug 18, 2004 6:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

theres not many of these Elitisms people where i play. When i go to the arcade i'm lucky to see like one person at the DDR machine. If i got bothered by an Elitism person, i would really like look at them with a stupid face and turn around and play!!! E15.gif E15.gif E7.gif
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10. PostPosted: Wed Aug 18, 2004 11:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The people where I play are mostly pretty cool and have given me a lot of helpful advice so I feel pretty lucky. If only they'd fix the pads.
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11. PostPosted: Thu Aug 19, 2004 11:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll take advice if it's given under helpful pretenses, but if someone's just being a pompous buttocks they're going to get a blank stare and be otherwise ignored by me.
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12. PostPosted: Fri Aug 20, 2004 10:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think anyone has ever told me not to pick a song since everyone picks it or anything but I have come across people who look down on anyone who touches the bar at all. Granted I rarely do it because I can keep my balance most songs but sometimes it's just better (for me at least) than, well falling.
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13. PostPosted: Fri Aug 20, 2004 11:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whenever I see some loudmouth jackass going on about how he's the shit at anything, I go and kick their asses on something, and they'll feel bad. I get the satisfaction of knowing that I'm better than the other guy. Seeing him frustrated will put a smile on my face.

Whenever I shake the hand of somebody after a game because I beat him and he shows respect for me, I'll smile and nod. But deep down inside, I know that I'm better than him. Or her. And I'll feel good.

I'm an elitist. And damn proud.
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14. PostPosted: Fri Aug 20, 2004 8:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't imagine how it'd be if someone would beat you...

And Elitism isn't about feeling good because you > him. It is believing that the entire world should have the same opinion as you, no matter what. And that if they don't, then they don't even deserve to live, in your opinion.

Your case is simply a case of "I have a big ego and I love it", and that might just work quite well for you. But being an elitist is far worse than just feeling good when you beat someone.
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15. PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2004 2:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is it OK to ask other players certain questions? I asked someone today if they had the game at home, and I also asked if they use Training Mode. I then proceded to tell them that they should probably use Assist 4 to help read the 16ths in certain songs. Is this being Elitist?

As well, I sometimes get the temptation to do certain songs on Heavy after seeing someone do them on Light or Standard. Is this bad?
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16. PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2004 10:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The IIDX community isn't really that elitist is it? I thought it was more competition.. "Hardcore" DDR players often seem to be the most elitist, specially in the US..
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17. PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2004 1:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Surfer_Clock wrote:
Is it OK to ask other players certain questions? I asked someone today if they had the game at home, and I also asked if they use Training Mode. I then proceded to tell them that they should probably use Assist 4 to help read the 16ths in certain songs. Is this being Elitist?



No, elitism is believing that your opinions, beliefs, and your own self are worth more than anyone else's, and that anything that differs from those should not even exist, or be supported.

It has nothing to do with bragging, being a hot-head, or anything of such nature. In a DDR-like context, a good example of elitism would be those who shun other players about trivial matters such as bar-raping, speed-modding, and other things that are only a matter of personal preference. Someone who can't respect somebody else's personal choices because they think their preferences should be set as the "standards" is an elitist.
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18. PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2004 12:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually elitism isn't really thinking that everybody should think the same way that you do. It's thinking less of people because they don't. Subtle difference, but important. Also, any real elitist wouldn't bring himself down to the level of people and try to fix their technique, because then there would be no one to laugh at.

Also, it's kind of hard to be elitist in ddr, because most pa'ers I know rape the bar like a hot 13yr old. They can't pretend they're better than everyone else, because they use the bar. However, they can pa, so it's ok. Once you get into ten-foot territory, the only elitism is to those not in it... bwahaha.
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19. PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2004 6:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

unfortunatly we all run into people like that somewhere along the way, but I usually just ignore them. If they are really getting on your nerves, let them know in a courteous way. I think a lot of people don't realize that they are doing it. If they are just a dumb jackass, tell the management. Or you can play the most annoying song you can think of 4 times in a row for their punishment. biggrin.gif
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