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dreamdancer
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0.  Posted: Tue Mar 23, 2004 4:06 pm Post subject: |
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I understand administrators wanting to cut down on bandwidth by discontinuing redundant threads. But there is a line when rampant (pardon the pun) locking of threads seriously undermines discussion and general usefulness of the forums. And that line has been well and truly crossed.
Yeah, I know this is your site, you make the rules and you can lock whatever thread you want. But think about it, why bother having forums if you don't allow them being used? I usually enjoy reading and posting on this site, but not if I can't respond to threads because someone thought for whatever reason they should be locked.
How about moderating in moderation?
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rampage
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| 1. Posted: Tue Mar 23, 2004 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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.. maybe it's a matter of being sick of seing the EXACT SAME STUFF being posted over, and over, and over again. People don't bother to look where they are posting things, read the FAQs, post things that are already posted, post things that have been answered 50 times before, or just post generally useless topics.
More than anything, the boards are partitioned out to have useful buckets for conversations to go. We have a DDR Gameplay board to discuss talking about playing the game. That means "OMG HOW DO I PASS MAX300" belongs there, not in Chit-Chat. Posting "HEY GUYS WHAT IS YOUR FAVORITE SONG" belongs in the favorite song thread.
Just use your heads, people. I'm not against posts. I am against repeating the same crap over again and for inappropriate posts in the wrong direction.
Name one post that I have locked with a good reason why I shouldn't have locked it. I'll go back, unlock it, and provide an apology. |
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Sabin XIII
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| 2. Posted: Tue Mar 23, 2004 6:52 pm Post subject: |
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Payed for playing DDR.
As far as I can tell, this topic hasn't been brought up before. I also didn't see any brewing flames. Admittedly, the conversation wasn't going very far, but I wouldn't call it lockable.
remember you first?(song,trick,maniac)
You said you locked this because it belonged in gameplay. Gameplay discusses how to pass/play songs in DDR; no techniques were being mentioned in this thread, just what songs people have passed before. It wasn't even for the purpose of finding out which songs are easiest to pass. It's almost like an opinion thread.
Does anyone agree with me that...
You posted the dictionary definition of "cult" and then locked the thread. The dictionary's not necessarily the end-all be-all of discussions. Some people might consider "cult" to have a broader definition, and the thread was created to see if they do.
whats ur favorite ddr mix
Locked cuz it sux. You don't have to read it if you don't want to. And if the underlying logic is that it's already been done, the closest thing I know of is the favorite song thread, which deals with liking specific songs rather than a group of songs. If this same topic has been brought up before, then I apologize.
I can sort of see the reasons why you locked the other threads. And if there are good reasons for locking those above that I missed, then I'm sorry to trouble you. I'm just trying to avoid unnecessary riots. |
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Phrekwenci
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| 3. Posted: Tue Mar 23, 2004 7:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Sabin XIII wrote: | Payed for playing DDR.
As far as I can tell, this topic hasn't been brought up before. I also didn't see any brewing flames. Admittedly, the conversation wasn't going very far, but I wouldn't call it lockable. |
Actually I remember the original thread "DDR Tips, (and I don't mean advice)". Where I gave the idea of putting up a sign saying 'Will Dance for Tokens'.
| Quote: | remember you first?(song,trick,maniac)
You said you locked this because it belonged in gameplay. Gameplay discusses how to pass/play songs in DDR; no techniques were being mentioned in this thread, just what songs people have passed before. It wasn't even for the purpose of finding out which songs are easiest to pass. It's almost like an opinion thread.
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It's actually not an opinion thread. These would be people post the name of a song and increasing their post count by one. No real discussion can come from it.
| Quote: | Does anyone agree with me that...
You posted the dictionary definition of "cult" and then locked the thread. The dictionary's not necessarily the end-all be-all of discussions. Some people might consider "cult" to have a broader definition, and the thread was created to see if they do. |
It's not something new players should see in the first place. The word "cult" is easily deemed in a negative tone, and we aren't trying to keep our new players from the game if they think some people believe we are a "cult"
| Quote: | whats ur favorite ddr mix
Locked cuz it sux. You don't have to read it if you don't want to. And if the underlying logic is that it's already been done, the closest thing I know of is the favorite song thread, which deals with liking specific songs rather than a group of songs. If this same topic has been brought up before, then I apologize. |
Locked because it sucks may not have been the best description about why it was locked, however again like the passing songs thread. This would have been one post about one mix adding to a post count and hardly bringing any discussion upon it. Especially when new people have radically different views, there tends to be an easy fight unfortunately.
| Quote: | | I'm just trying to avoid unnecessary riots. |
So are we. Thanks for your concern though.
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Rufus!
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| 4. Posted: Tue Mar 23, 2004 8:03 pm Post subject: |
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In all fairness if you had a problem with Rampages actions you should tell him via PM. Cos this looks like you are bad mouthing him publically.
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Sabin XIII
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| 5. Posted: Tue Mar 23, 2004 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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Okay, those are pretty good reasons for threads 1 and 3. But...
| Phrekwenci wrote: | | Locked because it sucks may not have been the best description about why it was locked, however again like the passing songs thread. This would have been one post about one mix adding to a post count and hardly bringing any discussion upon it. Especially when new people have radically different views, there tends to be an easy fight unfortunately. |
...This pretty much describes half of the stickied topics in the DDR Chat area. Doesn't it?
| Rufus wrote: | | In all fairness if you had a problem with Rampages actions you should tell him via PM. Cos this looks like you are bad mouthing him publically. |
That's because I am bad mouthing him publically. :P
I prefer to see it as, if I PMed him, it would be closer to flaming, because I wouldn't have to worry about any rebuttal from the public. Instead I'd like people to be aware that I will pay attention to their say if they approve/don't disapprove of what Rampage did. |
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justoneuncle
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| 6. Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2004 12:18 am Post subject: |
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I have been around here long enough where I have seen every DDR chit chat topic possible at least twice. Not everybody else patrolling the chit chat has. When I first saw the abundance of locks, I assumed it was one person just spamming the forum. When I saw some of the topics, I started to get suspicious. Some of these are questionable.
Favorite Announcer Quotes
This thread has been around for over two weeks and oh by the way, it now gets locked. Who the fuck cares if every announcer (rough estimate) has been covered? My favorite quote is "You were doing alright 'till halfway." Just because more than two other people like the quote, doesn't mean it should be locked.
Abbreviations
Was this thread really hurting anyone? The original poster indicated that the abbreviations that he/she didn't understand (includes R&P, LoM, PSMO type things) were not in the ddrfreak dictionary (nor should they be).
Stealthing a nonstopIt's really just asking whether or not it is impressive. It's not asking for suggestions about nonstops nor advice on how to stealth. I don't know, it's questionable. But hey, Phrekwenci posted in it without locking it--he apparently didn't see a problem.
remember you first?I understand why this was locked, but then again there are variations of this in the arcade forum that deserve the same fate.
Breakups through ddrThis is stupid. If I was bored enough (and maybe I am at 3am), I could find gazillions of threads that I thought were stupid. Doesn't mean that they should be locked. I don't really give two shits about what songs soandso like or dislike and I'm sure a mod or two agree, doesn't mean they will charge in and lock the stickied topic about such a topic.
If anybody should know about unnecessary locked topics, it would be me and those who post in the NY forums after what happened last September. Of the mods that I have seen mod the NY forum (PA, nystargate, Phrek, Remy), I can easily tell who is a strict mod and who is more on the lenient side. Regardless of which, they were almost always fair locks. These just don't seem fair. There are topics that have been around for a few days or even longer that I'm sure some mod has read some of those threads and decided that it didn't cross the line of stupidity. I don't believe that there was any piracy discussion, flaming, advertisement, or any other major forum crime. I'm not saying that they all are unjustifiable (favorite ddr mix, popular songs, nazi admin) did deserve the ax. If someone felt the need to lock mass number of topics, why not ax the stupid speed mod topic in Gameplay, because we all know that another one will pop up in less than 24 hours.
Okay, there is a whole bunch of my thought. Hopefully something I said actually made sense.
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J Dogg
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| 7. Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2004 12:19 am Post subject: |
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There's no problem with posting it on Site Feedback. After all, you want feedback, and you want the public to know about it. We should be publically accountable for our actions.
That said, isn't the DDR Chit Chat all repetition anyway? I don't know if all those threads should have been locked or not, simply because I don't think there's anything new to be said about DDR.
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Phrekwenci
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| 8. Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2004 4:57 am Post subject: |
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| Sabin XIII wrote: | | ...This pretty much describes half of the stickied topics in the DDR Chat area. Doesn't it? |
Yes it does, but instead of a new thread happening every week with the same people reanswering their questions, we have it happen once to get it out of their system.
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Phrekwenci
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| 9. Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2004 4:59 am Post subject: |
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| just one uncle wrote: | | Of the mods that I have seen mod the NY forum (PA, nystargate, Phrek, Remy), I can easily tell who is a strict mod and who is more on the lenient side. |
Considering that Remy refuses to read NY for his own reasons and PerfectAsymmetry only goes when he is totally bored. We already know who is who. <3
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justoneuncle
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| 10. Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2004 7:28 am Post subject: |
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| Phrekwenci wrote: | | just one uncle wrote: | | Of the mods that I have seen mod the NY forum (PA, nystargate, Phrek, Remy), I can easily tell who is a strict mod and who is more on the lenient side. |
Considering that Remy refuses to read NY for his own reasons and PerfectAsymmetry only goes when he is totally bored. We already know who is who. <3 |
Hey, I've been around awhile; I remember when Remy visited us. Yeah, that didn't go well. I was just comparing the general level of strictness that I've seen to the "rampage." I didn't mean anything by it, but I'm sure you figured that out. Hey, and nystargate isn't afraid to lay down the law.
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rampage
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| 11. Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2004 10:32 am Post subject: |
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I'd like to quote a passage from the FAQ:
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Needlessly starting new threads
There are a few easy steps you can take to avoid ending up with a locked thread. Before you start a new thread, click back a page or two and make sure there isn't a current topic for what you want to talk about. Make sure you're posting on the proper forum - generalized discussion of DDR and introductions belong in DDR Chit-Chat, anything relating to simulators belong in DDR Simulators, anything relating to home versions go into DDR Console Games, etc. Be aware of any forum-specific rules that apply for where you're posting to, such as the Marketplace. Finally, avoid the urge to start topics just for the sake of starting them - we reserve the right to lock threads that we consider worthless.
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Favorite Announcer Quotes -- This is a worthless thread. I hate survey threads. They accomplish nothing useful for the board. It encourages nothing more than post whoring and wastes our precious bandwidth with people repeating the same stuff over and over. Frankly, I'm awe struck that nobody locked it sooner.
Abbreviations -- This kind of thing belongs in the FAQ. I explained nicely that these things should be in the dictionary, and if they aren't suggest that they are. THAT'S WHAT IT'S THERE FOR!
Stealthing/First -- These belong in Gameplay. End of story.
Breakups through DDR -- This thread was just waiting to turn into something useless. I locked it preventatively. Again, I refer back to the rules that say if a mod doesn't like a topic they may lock it. I didn't like that topic, and felt it contributed nothing.
Cult post -- See above. It wasn't going anywhere I liked.
I'll be the first to admit when I'm wrong, and thus far I don't see any compelling reason to unlock those threads.
More than anything, this should be a wake up call to people to THINK BEFORE YOU POST. |
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Slowpoke
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| 12. Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2004 1:25 pm Post subject: |
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| rampage wrote: | | .. maybe it's a matter of being sick of seing the EXACT SAME STUFF being posted over, and over, and over again. |
Not everyone has been on this board for years. Most of the stuff that gets reamed for being repetitive or "yesterday's news" is being seen for the first time by most of the people who click into it. |
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El Cliffórdo
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| 13. Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2004 1:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Slowpoke wrote: | | rampage wrote: | | .. maybe it's a matter of being sick of seing the EXACT SAME STUFF being posted over, and over, and over again. |
Not everyone has been on this board for years. Most of the stuff that gets reamed for being repetitive or "yesterday's news" is being seen for the first time by most of the people who click into it. |
In some forums' cases, however, it's getting a bit extreme. As I said earlier, here's a list of the top topics I saw upon clicking the chit-chat forum earlier:
Clothing worn while playing
Naoki's aliases
ddr leg pain
<hard song> streams
10 (or 9) footer rating
DDR dreams
essay about DDR
female players
reasons you play ddr
These are literally the exact same topics I used to read when I read the non-regional forums over 2 years ago. They were overdone and annoying back then. I bet if i searched just one of those topics, I could find the exact same thread multiple times. I really honestly is the same stuff over and over. And over. It's not just a case of "someone talked about this once in the past so this is an overdone thread". |
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Bringer of Death
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| 14. Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2004 2:18 pm Post subject: |
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Delete this post, plz.
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rampage
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| 15. Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2004 2:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Slowpoke wrote: | | rampage wrote: | | .. maybe it's a matter of being sick of seing the EXACT SAME STUFF being posted over, and over, and over again. |
Not everyone has been on this board for years. Most of the stuff that gets reamed for being repetitive or "yesterday's news" is being seen for the first time by most of the people who click into it. |
Hey, it's not my fault people can't read the FAQ or don't bother to look around a little bit before posting and jumping right in.
It's this kind of behavior that's a growing pain on many forums. I'm just taking steps to do something about it. Most people will go "hey why is my topic locked" and realize "oh, crap, my bad" and move on with it. |
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slik
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| 16. Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2004 2:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Sometimes people do read the faq. I read the faq, that's why I have no warning points and all that other jibrish. But Rampage, you do seem to lock alot of threads. But then again if only people would read the faq guide this world would be a better place. And Rampage is probably tired of locking your threads...read the faq guide and save rampage the trouble. |
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Slowpoke
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| 17. Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2004 3:17 pm Post subject: |
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| rampage wrote: | Hey, it's not my fault people can't read the FAQ or don't bother to look around a little bit before posting and jumping right in.
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Well, it's a little confusing... if someone starts a thread that apparently has already been discussed at some point in the past, a mod may lock it for redundancy reasons... but if the user looks around, finds the old thread, and adds to it, another mod may throw a fit because someone bumped an old topic. So what's the right answer? Hopefully it's not "don't talk about stuff that other folks did before you signed up on this board" |
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sherl0k
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XhaD
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| 19. Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2004 3:33 pm Post subject: |
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We don't get pissed off about bumping unless it's no reason.
Good bump: Someone dredges up the old Magic: The Gathering thread in Non-Music games because a new set just came out.
Bad bump: Zep posts "never happends to me  " in some thread Loogaroo posted about computer errors in 2002.
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