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NEW BNS PADS.half the price of cobalt, same quality. hell ya
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0. PostPosted: Fri Aug 15, 2003 5:37 pm    Post subject: NEW BNS PADS.half the price of cobalt, same quality. hell ya Reply with quote

http://www.buynshop.com/productinfophp3/VG-DDR-MPD

Before you think of buying a cobalt, check that link.
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1. PostPosted: Fri Aug 15, 2003 9:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How long is the warranty?
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2. PostPosted: Sat Aug 16, 2003 7:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

exactly what i was wondering...

so I checked "Shipping and Warranty", and it was 30 days (feh -_-;;E13.gif and it "does not include physical damages", which basically means the warranty is useless. unless there's a special warranty for the pad! ::glint of hope::

I need a metal pad, but CobaltFlux is way of the question for me, so this looks like a worthy option, but I'm not sure if it's worth it...

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3. PostPosted: Sat Aug 16, 2003 10:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

UM HELLOOOOOOOOO! it only costs 130.00.

That means your precious warranty, which most never use anyway because it is a quality pad, is costing you 170.00. F*CK THAT!

I could buy 2 BNS' for the price of one cobalt, then have change left over to call you up long distance and laugh at you for wasting that much money.

Its the same pad, the only difference is that cobalt is handmade, so it costs more.

plus, cobalt flux is made with........wait for it.......... WOOD!
Ya! thats what I want. A metal dance pad with wood inside.

This is a classic case of hand-made verses assembly line. Your paying for the extra work put into the pad, which should not be confused with quality.

Btw, how many of you actually used your $170.00 warrany?
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4. PostPosted: Sat Aug 16, 2003 11:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What? Since when is my CF pad made out of wood? Last I checked it was melamine, but I can check again if you want.

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Yup, its melamine. Do you even have any idea how a cobaltflux is designed? Obviously you don't if you are comparing a BNS to it. The Cobaltflux has no electronics in it at all, just some wires going to the front connector. Nothing to break. And the BNS is $140, with $40 shipping, per pad, so when you get your two pads, for $360, and they both break and aren't replaced because of lack of warrenty, I'll laugh at YOU, because my $340 CF pad still works just as good as the day I got it, and its still under warrenty.

Also, as the CF acts as a standard controller, I don't have to worry about issues with any adapters. I can play my Stepmania fine with 0 problems.

If you were to have an issue with your pad, would BNS say, "Hey, sure, we'll help you, even though you paid us crap for our crappy pad." No, they'd probably say "Screw you, we already have your money," and you'd be on your own. Cobaltflux definitally has the best Customer Support out there.
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5. PostPosted: Sat Aug 16, 2003 11:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Devil Warrior wrote:
Cobaltflux definitally has the best Customer Support out there.


I second this. The moment I fried my control box, they shipped out another free of charge.

Maybe it's just me, but the arrows on the BNS pad look a lot flimsier than the CF's...
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6. PostPosted: Sat Aug 16, 2003 11:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

we'll see about that. Im gonna order one monday, after i talk to BNS a little. I think these new BNS' even have an outside metal border around them, Exactly like the arcade. Anyway, I'll write back in about a month and let you know the real deal is with these pads.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm gonna go wipe my azz with $150.00.....ohh, wait a minute, Im buying a BNS, nevermind!
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7. PostPosted: Sun Aug 17, 2003 3:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't see any outside metal border on that pad, which means there probably isn't one. And have fun trying to give your money thats been in your ass to BNS for another pad when your current one breaks and you want another one.
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8. PostPosted: Sun Aug 17, 2003 10:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting how you guys are arguing over a pad that neither of you have even so much as touched yet. It could be a good pad for those who aren't willing to pay for the Cobalt Flux, or it could be a piece of crap, but I can't be certain either way because I don't have one to test out myself. It's hasty to say that this is better than the Cobalt Flux when you haven't played on either one, and it's also hasty to say that this is a rip-off just because it isn't a Cobalt Flux.

I would be interested in seeing how this thing turns out, and I certainly hope that this pad isn't a total piece of crap. But please, let's not turn this into a flame war.
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9. PostPosted: Sun Aug 17, 2003 12:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's actually not too terribly untrue to automatically call it a ripoff since it's BNS. I've read dozens of stories of people with the old BNS metal pads that broke within a week. I find it highly unlikely that they'll just suddenly turn around and start making a quality product.

As for the Cobalt Flux, that baseboard sure as hell looks like some sort of compressed wood, and it's not the strongest stuff by a long shot. Melamine is just an overlay "scratch-resistant" (it's not scratch-resistant at all) surface for that base. I doubt even the best of the Redoctane/BNS/Cobalt Flux pads will last too terribly long. I plan on making use of the Cobalt Flux's six month warranty real soon.
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10. PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2003 10:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cryptoddrfweak, you work for bns don't you?

i dont think this pad is really as great as cobalt flux. it looks and is described as being exactly the same as the mymybox, cyphergames, red octane and all the ebay metal pads.

what's up with the up-right up-left arrows. they look to be metal. can i play solo with them? i don't play solo, but its nice to know that if one of the arrow panels were to break i could simply replace it with one of the diagonal arrows

and about cobalt flux having wood inside: i dunno about you, but i step on the arrows, not on the metal. so i really don't care what's under the metal.
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11. PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2003 3:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shinmizu wrote:
It's actually not too terribly untrue to automatically call it a ripoff since it's BNS. I've read dozens of stories of people with the old BNS metal pads that broke within a week. I find it highly unlikely that they'll just suddenly turn around and start making a quality product.


Well I ordered 2 things from BNS before, 2 ignition pads(just as good if not better then the red octane ignitions) and a metal pad(they sent me a mymybox blueshark metal pad which is great with my mod). Also about turning around and making a high quality pad just look at red octane.
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12. PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2003 5:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1) I'll beleive that they are ths same quality only after someone has pounded on them for 6 months, heavy use, and have no sign of wear. Until then, I disbeleive.

2) What's wrong with wood? Why is metal so great? Metal fatigues and bends after repeated strain. Wood is springy enough to give and flex back. Hey, someone should make pads out of spring steel. E13.gif
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13. PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2003 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree that wood isnt the gfreatest thing and it is liable to snap but I also thnik that if you made a pad all of metal, it'd weigh a ton and a half. so you have to find a good medium
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14. PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2003 6:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Devil Warrior wrote:
I don't see any outside metal border on that pad, which means there probably isn't one. And have fun trying to give your money thats been in your ass to BNS for another pad when your current one breaks and you want another one.


http://buynshop.com/ddr/mp/v2mpd1.gif

Ohh ya, then what is that?

now take your face out of your loins, and go stick it in some humble pie.

BTW, I still use and enjoy my old BNS pad that i bought last year.
(other than the cracked arrows.)


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15. PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2003 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, that cements it for me. I'm definitely NOT buying one of these. Why? Because if this jerk likes them so much, I'll make do with something else. disgust.gif
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SuperRob wrote:
Well, that cements it for me. I'm definitely NOT buying one of these. Why? Because if this jerk likes them so much, I'll make do with something else. disgust.gif


Good. that just means more for me.
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eddie. wrote:
cryptoddrfweak, you work for bns don't you?


No, I just work for all those kids out there who aren't millionaires and can't afford a 300+ dollar pad. I think CobaltFlux is insanely overpriced for something not even attempting to replicate the arcade machine perfectly.

"The BNS v2.51 DDR Metal Platform is build with the Actual Arcade Machine in mind. " wow! what a revolutionary idea!
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18. PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2003 7:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ddrlegend wrote:
Shinmizu wrote:
It's actually not too terribly untrue to automatically call it a ripoff since it's BNS. I've read dozens of stories of people with the old BNS metal pads that broke within a week. I find it highly unlikely that they'll just suddenly turn around and start making a quality product.


Well I ordered 2 things from BNS before, 2 ignition pads(just as good if not better then the red octane ignitions) and a metal pad(they sent me a mymybox blueshark metal pad which is great with my mod). Also about turning around and making a high quality pad just look at red octane.


Like I said before, I think it's a little too early to tell either way (the same goes for the new RedOctane metal pad), although I don't see why a company would even bother releasing a new metal pad if it weren't a significant improvement over the crappy metal pads they were selling before, especially since both BNS and RedOctane sell high-quality soft pads. Come to think of it, Buynshop and RedOctane have a lot in common, don't they? Hmm, I wonder . . .

As for the border, there are several different pictures in the ad including one with a metal border and one with a black border. I have a feeling that the one with the black border is what the actual pad will be.
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19. PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2003 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Devil Warrior wrote:

If you were to have an issue with your pad, would BNS say, "Hey, sure, we'll help you, even though you paid us crap for our crappy pad." No, they'd probably say "Screw you, we already have your money," and you'd be on your own. Cobaltflux definitally has the best Customer Support out there.


Ohh ya? Then what do you do when your pad breaks eight months from the time you purchased it? Cry?

That $170 you threw away for the "sacred" warranty is enough to buy every single piece of material the CF is made of. Its just like car insurance, a big f*ckin rip-off. Even if you do use it, is that broken panel or broken wire really worth $170, plus shipping?

Your gonna have to learn how to fix it yourself sooner or later, if you plan on owning it for more than 6 months, and that $170 would be much better in your pocket for when that does happen, and trust me, it will. Even the arcade machine breaks down once in a while.
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