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Poochy
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0.  Posted: Tue May 20, 2003 9:32 pm Post subject: Time to take out the garbage... |
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I noticed that there's boatloads of accounts here with zero posts, some even created in 2002! Wouldn't it free up some server space if you deleted some of those unused accounts?
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J Dogg
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| 1. Posted: Wed May 21, 2003 12:42 am Post subject: |
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Yes, but we have plenty of server space, so it doesn't matter.
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Phrekwenci
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| 2. Posted: Wed May 21, 2003 7:51 am Post subject: |
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| J Dogg wrote: | | Yes, but we have plenty of server space, so it doesn't matter. |
Well if we do then, what is going on here?
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devilon
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Remy
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| 4. Posted: Wed May 21, 2003 8:36 am Post subject: |
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Bandwidth != server space.
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IguanaGrrl
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| 5. Posted: Wed May 21, 2003 8:53 am Post subject: |
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| Remy wrote: |
Bandwidth != server space. |
To elaborate for the net unfriendly...
Server space = amount of space we have available on the hard drives of the server.
Bandwidth = data transfer between our servers and the users' computers.
The videos are inaccessible due to the loss of our uber-cheap bandwidth provider (since having that much data transfer is rather expensive).
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Bringer of Death
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| 6. Posted: Wed May 21, 2003 10:38 am Post subject: |
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So you're saying I can postwhore all I want and won't waste bandwidth so long as no one sees it?
(this is theoretical of course)
Oh, and won't pressing refresh a bajillion times(holding down the F5 key) on a topic or forum or whatever cause massive bandwidth?
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J Dogg
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| 7. Posted: Wed May 21, 2003 11:02 am Post subject: |
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| Reid's A Hero wrote: | | So you're saying I can postwhore all I want and won't waste bandwidth so long as no one sees it? |
Yes
| Reid's A Hero wrote: | | Oh, and won't pressing refresh a bajillion times(holding down the F5 key) on a topic or forum or whatever cause massive bandwidth? |
Yes. It will also slow the server down to a crawl, causing even more people to press F5, and slowing the server down even more, creating a snowball effect.
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evn
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| 8. Posted: Wed May 21, 2003 11:05 am Post subject: |
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A pageview is maybe 5kb of data (less if you subtract the cached images etc), you probably don't generate much more than 1mb of transfer per day if you're a very active poster. Videos are in the 5-50mb range - you generate up at least 1000% more traffic by viewing a single video than the most active posters do by reading/replying to topics for a day.
The user accounts table is tiny (< 5 megabytes) so even if we cleared out all of the unused accounts it wouldn't save enough space to host a single video anyway.
It's really not worth even writting the query to delete the accounts because there is no noticable benifit. It would be fairly easy to adjust the scripts that give user account list/numbers to only show "active" accounts but there really isn't any point to that either.
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Mr. Deus
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| 9. Posted: Wed May 21, 2003 11:08 am Post subject: |
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| evn wrote: | A pageview is maybe 5kb of data (less if you subtract the cached images etc), you probably don't generate much more than 1mb of transfer per day if you're a very active poster. Videos are in the 5-50mb range - you generate up at least 1000% more traffic by viewing a single video than the most active posters do by reading/replying to topics for a day.
The user accounts table is tiny (< 5 megabytes) so even if we cleared out all of the unused accounts it wouldn't save enough space to host a single video anyway.
It's really not worth even writting the query to delete the accounts because there is no noticable benifit. It would be fairly easy to adjust the scripts that give user account list/numbers to only show "active" accounts but there really isn't any point to that either. |
I probably generate a good 10 megs/hour 
| Quote: | | Yes. It will also slow the server down to a crawl, causing even more people to press F5, and slowing the server down even more, creating a snowball effect. |
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evn
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| 10. Posted: Wed May 21, 2003 11:17 am Post subject: |
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| Deus Ex Machina wrote: |
I probably generate a good 10 megs/hour
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After more careful thought bandwidth is probably much higher than my first guess. You recieve about about 1mb / 200 page views, however if we assume 500 people (who don't reply) view your posts and each post is 1000 characters and that you respond to 25% of the posts you read then the numbers get much higher:
1KB * 500 people * 50 posts = 2.5 mb / 200 pages. (plus ~5k/page for each layout)
Then add in the traffic cause by people replying (second page view = additional 1000bytes transfered and the fact that each page becomes larger with each post) and you could be "responsible" for a fair amount of bandwidth, even if only a few meg goes to you.
One of these days I'll work out actuall statistics rather than just estimating. We could find a cost/user/year - then subtract content/post and find out who the most worthless users are
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