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0. PostPosted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 2:28 am    Post subject: Attn: Those who pass 13+ Reply with quote

How did you get to the point of passing 13, 14, 15, etc foot songs? Were you already in shape? Do you work out regularly? Do you just play DDR a lot, like 3-7 times a week for hours at a time? What's your mile run time? Do you attribute your success to form when playing? Heel-and-toe? Obviously practice sets the top players from the rest, but what specifically makes top players better?

I'm currently working on passing all of the 12 footers, and I am attempting some 13 foot songs such as Summer, Anisakis and Infernoplex. I run the mile in 5:39, but I die on songs like Monotone, Fer Sure, Heaven, Stuntin' Like My Daddy, and so on. My accuracy is okay; I can AAA up through some 10 foot songs.
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1. PostPosted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 5:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wish I could run the mile in 5:39. or under 7 minutes.... frown.gif Anyways, just play alot. According to most people running stamina doesn't affect dancing stamina. As for me, I can pass 13's and 14's like Destination and Boss on Parade, and I only play once a week for about an hour or two. I'm also not in the best shape I could be. Just keep playing it'll come. The best advice I can give you is try playing in socks, that put my stamina from being tired by 11's to 13's and 14's, almost instantly. It was really weird.... erm.gif
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2. PostPosted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 12:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you mean to play in socks for arcade or for a cobalt flux? I play mostly on a cobalt flux, and socks tend to snag a lot on the edges. I feel like I have to slow down my movement, or it might be because I barely lift my feet off the ground.
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3. PostPosted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 9:01 am    Post subject: Re: Attn: Those who pass 13+ Reply with quote

jesusfr3ak4evr wrote:
How did you get to the point of passing 13, 14, 15, etc foot songs?


Just get on a DDR X Machine and pass Max 300 of course.

But seriously though, stamina doesn't really have to do with it, but it helps a lot (especially with songs that are demanding with their streams and stuff). It's more knowing and maintaining the fast/complex rhythm and knowing how to move to it (for example, PARANOiA Survivor Max Challenge will turn your body into a certain direction in each gap during the death run. Failure to comply will make the experience difficult).

After enough practice you'll learn a technique that suits you well and you'll be able to handle 13s with some level of ease.
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4. PostPosted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 10:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Being of the older group on this forum (27 years old lol), I will tell you beating stamina songs that are rated 13+ isn't exactly something you can just jump into overnight.

I try to go twice a week for about an hour or two.

I can't really explain how to do it, but I can get you there faster:

1. Drink lots of water.
2. Stretch before you play.
3. Eat something light and full of vitamins and a little carbs (like a salad or a veggie soup).
4. Don't launch into it on your first round. This is my measuring stick:

When you get to the point where playing on a certain difficulty no longer tires you, then its time to move your "bottom rung" up a notch. Some players have a difficulty level they go to once they are warming up or tired. Usually it's the same difficulty level.

With me, I either warm up on a really difficult 9 or a moderate 10. You wanna work on something that's gonna get you warmed up and in the mood without making you sweat right off the bat. Find songs that you want to work on FAing early on and do that first. After that, you can start stepping up your game.

This is my set-up but you might find something different that suits your needs. My set up is to work FA and endurance simultaneously.

9/10, 10, 11, 11
11, 10, 11, 12
10, 11, 11, 12
9, 10, Boss Parade/ Welcome to Rainbow / etc.

The idea here is that I wait until I'm really warmed up before I get into it, because it's 1800+ steps without stopping.
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5. PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 9:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Learn to MA/FA on easier songs before shooting for the big 13s. Being to hit the notes accurately works wonders on songs like Pandemonium with huge streams that will kill you if you stray off the beat. If you're playing ITG, you should at the very least be able to star anything below a 10 if you're going to shoot for the big ones.
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6. PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 10:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Going off what he said, if you are getting stars within a certain difficulty range, ignore it and focus on the difficulty range above it.
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7. PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 5:04 am    Post subject: Re: Attn: Those who pass 13+ Reply with quote

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But seriously though, stamina doesn't really have to do with it


I must disagree, stamina is probably 80% of the requirement to pass >13's.
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8. PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 5:10 am    Post subject: Re: Attn: Those who pass 13+ Reply with quote

Juppy wrote:
Trigger_Happy wrote:
But seriously though, stamina doesn't really have to do with it


I must disagree, stamina is probably 80% of the requirement to pass >13's.
That's kind of why I mentioned my mile run time, so I can get some sort of measuring stick as to at least how I compare in cardiovascular condition. I don't usually die from having to breath too hard, it's my legs that can't keep up the pace which causes poor accuracy. Often I have trouble hitting the back button (I hit a bit above on the center button), or I have trouble reaching all the way up to the up arrow. I'm experimenting with bracket raping (heelntoe) techniques, and I'm working on strengthening my foot muscles by doing simple up and down exercises while sitting to simulate the experience of heel and toe. If I could do heel and toe as well as JDongs, then I could pass practically any song on my feet.
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9. PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 10:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Attn: Those who pass 13+ Reply with quote

Juppy wrote:
Trigger_Happy wrote:
But seriously though, stamina doesn't really have to do with it


I must disagree, stamina is probably 80% of the requirement to pass >13's.


Two or three years ago I would play two games of Extreme, all 10s and stuff (it would be Survivor, Max 300, Survivor Max, and Legend of Max for both sets). Nowadays I can do the same thing but I would also have a hard time managing my stamina with SuperNOVA and SuperNOVA 2 songs (excluding Healing D Vision and Chaos) because I don't know how they work. It's kind of why I only play Extreme songs unfortunately.

I'm saying when I try harder songs that I hardly play (or different songs in general) I don't know how they work and so I use more energy because of it. But once I know how the song works I have an easier time passing the song/songs and my stamina doesn't improve over time.
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10. PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 7:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ninja N8 wrote:
Being of the older group on this forum (27 years old lol), I will tell you beating stamina songs that are rated 13+ isn't exactly something you can just jump into overnight.

I try to go twice a week for about an hour or two.

I can't really explain how to do it, but I can get you there faster:

1. Drink lots of water.
2. Stretch before you play.
3. Eat something light and full of vitamins and a little carbs (like a salad or a veggie soup).
4. Don't launch into it on your first round. This is my measuring stick:

When you get to the point where playing on a certain difficulty no longer tires you, then its time to move your "bottom rung" up a notch. Some players have a difficulty level they go to once they are warming up or tired. Usually it's the same difficulty level.

With me, I either warm up on a really difficult 9 or a moderate 10. You wanna work on something that's gonna get you warmed up and in the mood without making you sweat right off the bat. Find songs that you want to work on FAing early on and do that first. After that, you can start stepping up your game.

This is my set-up but you might find something different that suits your needs. My set up is to work FA and endurance simultaneously.

9/10, 10, 11, 11
11, 10, 11, 12
10, 11, 11, 12
9, 10, Boss Parade/ Welcome to Rainbow / etc.

The idea here is that I wait until I'm really warmed up before I get into it, because it's 1800+ steps without stopping.


Ninja pretty much sums up what I was going to say.

Warm up first, then do stretches. This will increase your flexibility overtime and help enhance and quicken your reach.

Make sure you warm up before doing stretches!
Performing cold stretches has a detrimental effect and increases your chance of injury.

Eat a lot of carbs 2 days before you plan to work on endurance and attempt this. You'll need the energy.
Eat lightly the day off, like what Ninja said.

Running: Great running time!!, I can only run 5.7 miles.
How far do you run?
Running for distance will significantly increase your endurance.
I have completed 2 marathons, and adding distance helps a ton with endurance.

Socks, I recommend never using socks, too slippery and they snag.
On CFs doubles, I wear shoes, Singles I go barefoot.

I primarily play doubles, when I was preparing for energizer, I would warm up with 9s, and 10s. Do a few 11s, and then as many 12s as I could be tiring out.

Also, doing foot exercises and/or running barefoot will strengthen your foot muscles and assist endurance, flexibility, and speed.
(Note: if you do run barefoot, you must condition your foot for this, it usually takes, 1-2months of walking, then vshort runs)

Some information on that is below:
http://www.marathonandbeyond.com/choices/clift.htm
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11. PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 7:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting. I'll stop stretching first.

I eat lots of carbs practically every day E1.gif

Typically I only run up to about 4 miles. I'll run for an hour at 7mph and see how that goes.

I can't play with socks E10.gif

I ran barefoot all the time back when I played soccer at my pool every day. Unfortunately, that was at least 8 years ago when I was in much better physical condition than today due to swimming and soccer.
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You're welcome, here's a few links to studies done on stretching.

This article is based on study performed by Stephen B. Thacker, director of the epidemiology program office at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

http://www.active.com/story.cfm?STORY_ID=10527&CHECKSSO=0&CATEGORY=healthclub&SIDEBAR=576

This article is on a study of 1543 people who competed in the Honolulu Marathon, by: David A. Lally, Ph.D.
http://www.pponline.co.uk/encyc/0396.htm

Running barefoot is excellent for strengthening your foot muscle and preventing injury when running.
Condition your foot first, start with walking barefoot a few times a day on concrete or asphalt before attempting to run. Do this for 3-4 weeks, then starting doing short 7-10 minute runs.

Your foot will become a soft leather (it will actually be softer than normal people's feet, and you're callouses will fade away).
You will notice a drastic improvement in your running, and your step will became gentle and quick.
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13. PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 7:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not all that good, but I could pass a few unofficial 13s. I don't work out at all. DDR was the first rhythm game I played (started in April '06) and at this point I play only once a month. I started with decent stamina though. I dunno how but I never truly felt tired till I tried 12+ songs on ITG.



Honestly, best thing to do is play consistently on a weekly basis at least.
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14. PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 8:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

theres only one way to pass 13+

you have to be good like me
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15. PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 3:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I played for 2.5 hours today on my home cobalt flux (OpenITG timings). Last week I played for 4 hours straight.

I died at about 50% through Welcome to Rainbow.

I died at 13% through Stuntin Like My Daddy.

Died on last run of Fer Sure.

Passed Utopia easily, which I can't remember if I had passed earlier... but I've passed every 11 now.

Got an A on Xuxa without getting winded at all... same for Crazy Loop and several 10 footers.

I have trouble on 12's like Energy and Bloodrush. They're just a bit too fast for me without a bar.

Tomorrow I'm going to get on the treadmill and run at 7mph for an hour straight.
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16. PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 9:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jesusfr3ak4evr wrote:

Tomorrow I'm going to get on the treadmill and run at 7mph for an hour straight.


For the love of god I hope you know how to do your stretches and exercises properly before and after your run! I thought I did my stuff right but I was sadly mistaken, as I did 25 minutes of uphill running (25-30 degrees alternatively) at 9 mph or some high annoying speed without getting there gradually and stuff. Graduate from some lower speed until you reach 7mph for an hour straight.

Bah, you seem to know what you're doing. I'll stop wigging out.
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17. PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 9:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

haha, well I used to be a very competitive swimmer, so I have a high tolerance for conditioning pain. I do know that 7mph for an hour is below what I can handle right now. My biggest concern is how to occupy myself for a whole hour. I don't have an mp3 player or ear buds. I get bored pretty quick unless it's intense training. I'll feel it the next day and perhaps the day after, but everything will be fine. If I can play 4 hours of 11, 12 and 13's, dying over and over again, then I can handle an hour at a leisurely 7mph.
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18. PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 10:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

why don't you just do the smart thing and pace yourself correctly.
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19. PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 10:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OGRE wrote:
why don't you just do the smart thing and pace yourself correctly.
What do you suggest then? I already run 4 miles at a faster pace than 7mph. So what should I do? 5 miles? then 6 miles? then 7 miles? The point is that I run for an hour to build endurance. I picked 7 mph as a normal jogging speed.
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