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0. PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2008 12:25 pm    Post subject: Techniques to recondition your body for DDR? Reply with quote

Just to start off, i've been playing DDR for about 7 months (not counting the times my pads break), and my recent pad failure threw me way off balance. I couldn't get a foam or hardpad, because they were too expensive for me, so i waited... and waited... and waited...

Finally, about 3 months later, i saw something on how to mod a softpad. Now, by then, i had gotten rid of any type of exercise, excluding a single moshpit and throwing some heavy objects at people, and walking. The minute after i modded my pad, i turned on DDR and went for it. Now, i knew i'd be out of shape, but i didn't know i was so out of tune! When i was in my prime, i warmed up on DoLL, and now i found out that i had failed speed over beethoven on expert!

Also, this isn't a weight problem, i'm 15 at 116 lbs... endurance is my issue.

So, i come to the only place that i know that has been tried and true for all problems DDR. I need a fast way to recondition my body back to its endurance! I'm sure my speed will return quickly, though.
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1. PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2008 1:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You will undoubtly hear this repeated by many people, but the best way to get in shape and to get better is to play for a couple hours every day. If endurance and stamina are your goals, then just continuously play songs that are right at your maximum ability. If you get too tired to beat those songs, then play songs that're slightly easier. Just keep pushing yourself and your body will start to handle this kind of excercise better.

That being said, I should add that warming up before any extended DDR sessions is crucial. Warming up can be any number of things: from jogging or riding a bike to simply starting off your DDR session with a set of songs that you would consider "easy". A good rule of thumb is to do a song which is 3 or 4 steps lower than your maximum capability. So, if the most you can do are 9 step songs, you should warm up with a set of songs in the 5-7 range.

This is all just my 2 cents.
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2. PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2008 10:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Plus eating right, general exercise, and so on.

Wait, this is about giving weight loss advice, right?
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3. PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2008 9:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If that's what the guy is asking also, then yeah.
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4. PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2008 12:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Haoie wrote:
Wait, this is about giving weight loss advice, right?

No, read whole first post.

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5. PostPosted: Thu May 29, 2008 2:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, like Suko said, play songs 2 feet under the maximum you can do. Endurance running (from what I've read) is a great way to gain stamina. But I'm sure playing almost any physical sport consistently will help as well.
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6. PostPosted: Fri May 30, 2008 9:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doing exercise other than DDR doesnt really help your DDR stamina a lot. Maybe try a sprinting regimen, that seems like the best idea since DDR is more like sprinting (short, 2min and under bursts of energy).

I think endurance running doesn't help much, based on my experience. Back when I ran cross-country and track, I was in great shape (ran the mile in 5 mins), and I couldn't pass 9s without getting tired as hell. My friend who was in terrible shape could pass Max 300 (neither of us barred). I have since stopped XC for a couple years but played tons of DDR/ITG and I can no bar 12s now.

Just play more DDR! It's fun anyway! biggrin.gif
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7. PostPosted: Fri May 30, 2008 2:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Crosstrain my friend.

A person can't get healthy/better just by one type of exercise.

Lift some weights (yes i've said this many times) eat health(ier).
I know as teens and nerds this is hard but it won't kill us to eat some healthy foods.
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8. PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2008 4:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you drink alot of pop, trying giving it up for a few months. It'll really help your general fitness level.
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9. PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2008 7:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ZiTiM wrote:
If you drink alot of pop, trying giving it up for a few months. It'll really help your general fitness level.


In b4 soda vs. pop debate.

But yeah, I can't remember the last time I drank a soda... not to mention drinking soda while playing DDR is probably not the best idea. jumping around with all that carbonation in your stomach probably doesnt feel the best.
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10. PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2008 6:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you want to work on endurance outside of playing DDR, run, swim, or bike. Honestly. Your heart health will improve dramatically. Running is my favorite because it is accessible. You can start with a short run and build it up to a few miles eventually. My resting heart rate is like, 54 because of that shit, which is supposed to be pretty low for a chick. And I think most endurance is really in your heart. So I'd say it's effective.

Also, ITG. Going from more difficult ITG songs makes harder DDR songs a little easier. ITG is REALLY great for dancing game endurance, especially since, unlike running, biking, or swimming, it actually is a dancing game. Only it has more room for endurance training. E7.gif
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11. PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2008 7:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Suko wrote:
You will undoubtly hear this repeated by many people, but the best way to get in shape and to get better is to play for a couple hours every day. If endurance and stamina are your goals, then just continuously play songs that are right at your maximum ability. If you get too tired to beat those songs, then play songs that're slightly easier. Just keep pushing yourself and your body will start to handle this kind of excercise better.

That being said, I should add that warming up before any extended DDR sessions is crucial. Warming up can be any number of things: from jogging or riding a bike to simply starting off your DDR session with a set of songs that you would consider "easy". A good rule of thumb is to do a song which is 3 or 4 steps lower than your maximum capability. So, if the most you can do are 9 step songs, you should warm up with a set of songs in the 5-7 range.

This is all just my 2 cents.


Yep yep! I'm a beginner, so I don't think I can go any easier than I already am as far as level.

However, today I put Max2 in, being my newer game and decided to go into training mode and just start getting used to the songs, step charts, etc. I did 2 hours just in training mode (doing Tsugaru I think 5x in a row and Hysteria 3x before I gave up in disgust - that middle section messes me up SO bad). Have lots of water nearby at all times!!!! Found that one out the hard way!

Then I set game mode on 5 song sessions and did 2 of those, the last 2 songs being slower ones. A - to start cooling down some, and B because I can get tripped up faster on a slow song than a fast one - so more practice is good. Then I stretch out as much as I can - you know your legs take a beating doing DDR, so stretching out your calves, hamstrings, hip flexors and quads is essential - some ankle and foot stretching can also help.

I also do alot of gardening - commando gardening, not the "oh I think I'll trim some roses" stuff, but getting out the shovel and doing major work when I get the chance.

I also walk everywhere, every chance I get (don't drive, hate taking the bus unless I have to) - it's a 3 mile walk from my house to center city and I do that once or twice a week. And I have meniere's disease, arthritis in my knees, hips, lower back .. oh, and I'm 53 E13.gif
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You sir, are an inspiration for how well fit I hope I can be when I'm in my 50s.
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13. PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 8:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

well, I'd advise just play more and play often and eventually you'll get in better shape for ddr, and as for running and cross training my outlook on that is that if you run and cross train you'll be in shape for running and/or cross training, not so much ddr. Maybe not tho

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14. PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 8:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Xanthros wrote:
Doing exercise other than DDR doesnt really help your DDR stamina a lot. Maybe try a sprinting regimen, that seems like the best idea since DDR is more like sprinting (short, 2min and under bursts of energy).

I think endurance running doesn't help much, based on my experience. Back when I ran cross-country and track, I was in great shape (ran the mile in 5 mins), and I couldn't pass 9s without getting tired as hell. My friend who was in terrible shape could pass Max 300 (neither of us barred). I have since stopped XC for a couple years but played tons of DDR/ITG and I can no bar 12s now.

Just play more DDR! It's fun anyway! biggrin.gif


The statement that is in bold is incorrect.

Biking --> leg strength and leg endurance

High speed running (sprinting, as he adequately put) --> individual, short song stamina

Long distance running --> SESSION (or long version songs, ie, Welcome to Rainbow) ENDURANCE

Full body sports (basketball, football, martial arts, tennis, soccer) --> overall body conditioning. You use more than just your legs in DDR, even when using the bar.

Weight training --> overall body conditioning. They don't help cardiovascular stamina, but they help condition your body to last longer and your muscles to recover more quickly so that you can play longer sessions at your best.

Also noting, there is a huge difference in overall body condition and technique proficiency. The reason why you were probably getting so tired? Your muscles didn't know what they were supposed to do, ergo using FAR more energy: running is a static exercise for you because your running experienec, while DDR (at the time) was probably not. I'd take a wild stab as to say you didn't know the charts very well, or simply couldn't perform them well, which costs stamina. That also said, like running, DDR has conservation techniques to control energy expenditure (and I don't mean just heel-toeing, etc), those of which you probably didn't know either.

Example: I'm probably in better shape than Dukamok is and he can clear 15s and get better scores than I can on damn near everything 12s+ due to his technique and overall knowledge of the charts and how they affect his body while I can't.
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15. PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 10:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As a newly minted physician and 7 year DDR player, I offer the following advice:

Start easy back into DDR, like with some 4 or 5 foot standard songs. Go for endurance, like 20 minutes at a time.

Drink lots of Water to keep yourself hydrated. Sodas actually dehydrate you over time so water is always the best choice. Heck if you drink regular sodas all the time, you'll lose a good bit of weight just by switching to water. E1.gif

If you are looking for any other activities to help, moderate cardiovascular exercise like jogging, using an elliptical trainer or brisk walking will help get your endurance up over time.

Overall, don't give up. Any activity is better than no activity. Do something physical everyday!
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16. PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 11:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe you guys are thinking of a different "endurance running", but Welcome To Rainbow is not endurance (in the running sense). In running terms, it's barely mid-distance. Endurance running is like 3+ miles, so we're looking at 15 minutes and up at least. No ITG song is like that.

I understand that it will get you in shape, and that will get you better at DDR. My statement should have been directed at endurance running only, since I don't have experience with biking or full body sports or weight training. Running will help, but not nearly as much as just playing DDR. Also, it could be different for other people, but from my personal experience, which deals with those exact things, improving your technique and DDR-related muscles through playing is more efficient than through running (especially endurance).

Then again, running is free, fun, and chances are you'll like being in shape a lot anyway. It's a good personal feeling.

I just wanted to point out that DDR itself is probably going to be a much more fruitful exercise than running for someone who can't already pass 10s and 11s (and even 12s) easily.
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Actually when I started distance running I found DDR/ITG easier, and when I started DDR I cut 2 whole minutes off of my 5K... They use a lot of different leg muscles, but I think the real reason is cardiovascular strength. Now when I finish an ITG 11 my heart isn't beating out of its chest.

Also water's definitely a good point. I always bring a water bottle to the arcade, and I feel like a total nerd doing it, but it helps performance so much. I look totally dorky in basketball shorts and a tank drinking a water bottle and recording my scores but I don't really care 'cause it helps me out. :3. I know it sounds dumb, but when you're done playing for a long time, make sure you eat. I think it's something like if you don't eat within an hour of exercising it takes a lot longer for your body to recover, and the next time you play it'll be more difficult.
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I have heard pop weakens bones, so I don't drink it at all anymore. Hm, reading these posts has allowed me to realize a question: is there a difference between cardiovascular endurance and muscle endurance? I suppose the former allows long-distance running while the latter would be what we need for Dance Dance Revolution -- I guess my legs growing tired is more of an issue than losing my breath during songs. Edit: then again, maybe not frown.gif
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