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0.  Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 7:22 am Post subject: Why DDR can be considered a sport |
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| OMGWTFDIE wrote: | What a stupid idea. DDR isn't a sport, it's a videogame. It doesn't matter if you work up a sweat or if you can lose weight. It's a videogame. There's no teamwork, no plays, no practices or anything. You can't get a crowd and cheer on someone playing DDR. You can't have DDR cheerleaders. You can't have coaches and captains. There are no positions. What the heck would an Away or Home game be? It's all the same stinkin machine.
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as requested, i am keeping the other thread positive and not defending that in that thread. so im doing it here.
obviously your knowledge of sports is very limited. golf is a sport. you don't work up a sweat there unless its hot. and there is no teamwork in that. unless you count a caddy carrying a bag teamwork.
racing is also a sport. the only teamwork in that is the pit crew changing tires and the like.
and finally, tennis is a sport. and there is absolutely no teamwork in that. seeing as its one person versus one person.
none of these aforementioned sports have cheerleaders in them either.
nor do they have specific plays to do. you just roll with the punches and know what your doing.
and if you want to be really good at DDR, you do practice. i mean, you can't just pick up DDR for the first time and play Max 300 on heavy. unless your a prodigy of some kind.
theres no positions in golf or tennis, or racing.
and you can have coahes and captains. the captain of a DDR team. and a coach would just be someone to tell you where yopu need improvement and what to practice.
if youve ever been to a competition or at least seen one in a video there is a crowd, and they do in fact cheer people on.
and a home or away game would be going to someone elses place and DDRing. and who says that everyone has the same machine? your school might have one mix, while another school could have a completely different mix, which forces your players to sightread songs that the other school has seen before. and vice versa.
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| 1. Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 9:47 am Post subject: |
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*clapclapclapclapclap*
Only one problem:
In racing such as Nascar (High-level racing), the driver has connections to their coach (or someone to that degree) just above the crowds. They tell these drivers side of the road would help them maintain/gain position.
...if I'm not mistaken. I don't watch Nascar, really.
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[TCO] Patrick
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| 2. Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 11:56 am Post subject: |
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Hasnt this been discusses 1000x times? I heard that Sweden or somewhere made it a sport. But I really doubt that the US would ever make arrow stomping a sport. Everyone sees it as a video game, nothing more.
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| 3. Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 1:31 pm Post subject: |
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| [TCO] Patrick wrote: | | Everyone sees it as a video game, nothing more. |
wrong
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| 4. Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 1:44 pm Post subject: |
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The problem with DDR being a sport is that there is a limit to how good you can be. In sports, you keep working and working and you can keep getting better. But once you can AAA every song, reverse, right, stealth, do everything in DDR without running out of strength, well, that's as good as someone gets. Okay, so no one in their right mind would know how to stealth every song and predict every shuffle chart, but still.
'Spose DDR wouldn't make a BAD sport compared to like... making a sport out of normal video games or something... *thinks*... freestyling could almost make a fun sport, though. Almost... that's just my opinion...
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| 5. Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 1:57 pm Post subject: |
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| I dont think DDR can be considered a sport. |
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| 6. Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 4:08 pm Post subject: |
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| pridemore_cole wrote: | | [TCO] Patrick wrote: | | Everyone sees it as a video game, nothing more. |
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Its obvious that the people who think its a only video game are the majority. Majorities are usually the ones in control.
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| 7. Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 4:12 pm Post subject: |
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This is like a Science vs. Religion debate, a DDR vs. ITG debate, a DDR vs. PIU debate, a Final Fantasy VII vs. <insert better game> debate, a Rock vs. Rap debate, a Blackjack vs. Texas Hold'Em debate, I could go on forever. IT IS A DEBATE ABOUT A VIEW. IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOU SAY BECAUSE IT WON'T HAVE INSPIRATION ON PEOPLE WITH HEADS MADE OF STEEL WHO HAVEN'T DONE SO MUCH AS CONSIDERED OTHERWISE. SHUT THE FUCK UP.
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| 8. Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 5:16 pm Post subject: |
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| [TCO] Patrick wrote: | | pridemore_cole wrote: | | [TCO] Patrick wrote: | | Everyone sees it as a video game, nothing more. |
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Its obvious that the people who think its a only video game are the majority. Majorities are usually the ones in control. |
majority doesnt mean everyone though
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| 9. Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 5:54 pm Post subject: |
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| zoupzuop2 wrote: | *clapclapclapclapclap*
Only one problem:
In racing such as Nascar (High-level racing), the driver has connections to their coach (or someone to that degree) just above the crowds. They tell these drivers side of the road would help them maintain/gain position.
...if I'm not mistaken. I don't watch Nascar, really. |
you got me on that one. i didn't even think of the coach.
o and for the point of there is a limit to what you can do with DDR, thats why konami keeps pumping out new ones. |
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| 10. Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 6:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Papersak wrote: | The problem with DDR being a sport is that there is a limit to how good you can be. In sports, you keep working and working and you can keep getting better. But once you can AAA every song, reverse, right, stealth, do everything in DDR without running out of strength, well, that's as good as someone gets. Okay, so no one in their right mind would know how to stealth every song and predict every shuffle chart, but still.
'Spose DDR wouldn't make a BAD sport compared to like... making a sport out of normal video games or something... *thinks*... freestyling could almost make a fun sport, though. Almost... that's just my opinion... |
I've often had the same problem when convincing people. It's too restricted to be a sport. However, I do feel the freestyle can take away that restriction. I kept joking during the olympics that if figuring skating can be an olympic even, DDR freestyling can be too.
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| 11. Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 7:06 pm Post subject: |
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| pridemore_cole wrote: | | majority doesnt mean everyone though |
Doesnt matter. Its not a sport in the US right now, and it wont be any time soon, I believe. All I have to say on this (because thats all that matters).
And yeah, I agree with gerinis. DDR in general is pretty restrictive. You only do one thing. Step on some arrows. No form is needed (Im talking ice skating form, not "flatfoot vs. no flatfoot" form) to play, you can pretty much just get up and flail around, and manage to hit arrows.
Freestyling would be a whole nother story though.
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| 12. Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 7:23 pm Post subject: |
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haha, wow
| lemurboy wrote: |
as requested, i am keeping the other thread positive and not defending that in that thread. so im doing it here.
cool!
obviously your knowledge of sports is very limited. Already shooting insults before you even present your thesis? Those are signs of a crappy debater  golf is a sport. you don't work up a sweat there unless its hot. and there is no teamwork in that. unless you count a caddy carrying a bag teamwork. Golf requires a massive field of million dollar, cultivated grass to play on. Didder needs a machine...
racing is also a sport. the only teamwork in that is the pit crew changing tires and the like. Racing takes pit crews, drivers, trainers, owners, buyers, teams and has a huge fan base. Didder takes a nerdy kid that likes j-pop...
and finally, tennis is a sport. and there is absolutely no teamwork in that. seeing as its one person versus one person. Doubles, anyone? You also need rackets, black tar, a net...Didder needs game coins...
none of these aforementioned sports have cheerleaders in them either.No cheerleaders in golf? Whod'a thunk?nor do they have specific plays to do. you just roll with the punches and know what your doing.
There're exceptions to the rules I said beforehand. Some more sports that are exceptions, which you didn't mention, include Net ball, badminton, swimming, track and field and a bajillion others. Hey, why don't we start with the definition for sport? Physical activity that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often engaged in competitively. What are the rules for DDR? STEP ON THE ARROWS. Not very much...DDR is all skill, and no strategy.
and if you want to be really good at DDR, you do practice.By playing DDR. You can't do drills or runs or anything else. i mean, you can't just pick up DDR for the first time and play Max 300 on heavy. unless your a prodigy of some kind.
theres no positions in golf or tennis, or racing.
and you can have coahes and captains. the captain of a DDR team. and a coach would just be someone to tell you where yopu need improvement and what to practice. Now that would just be stupid
if youve ever been to a competition or at least seen one in a video there is a crowd, and they do in fact cheer people on. Crowds of what...15 people at best. Unlike a typical high school football game where the stands are flooded with hundreds of people that PAYED to WATCH. Would you pay to watch someone play didder? I wouldn't...
and a home or away game would be going to someone elses place and DDRing. duh? and who says that everyone has the same machine? Konami... your school might have one mix, while another school could have a completely different mix, which forces your players to sightread songs that the other school has seen before. Which is pretty stupid and vice versa.
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DDR can be just as physically demanding as some sports (though not many. You get to a point that you won't even get tired unless you do 3 maxes in a row) but that doesn't mean it's a sport. I can rup up and down my stairs for 2 hours and I'll get pretty tired, but that isn't becoming a sport.
DDR also doesn't have a big enough fan base. There's fans, of course, but nowhere NEAR as much as a FRACTION of real sports, and the numbers get smaller every day. And would you actually pay to go see a DDR "game"? I mean, what would that be like even. Schools cut good sports like soccer and tennis sometimes before people don't go to enough games or pay enough attention. A DDR game would get NO attention.
Liking DDR is all well and good, but I hate having to put up with geeky kids that want DDR to be the next ultra thing that everyone loves. Not everyone loves your game as much as you do. Period. I play DDR, I like it a lot, it's my favorite game, but even I know that it can't be a sport.
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| 13. Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 8:37 pm Post subject: |
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What difference does it make. Whether it's a sport or not, it's still a great game  |
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| 14. Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 9:15 pm Post subject: |
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hey, instead of one person's opinion, let's try the actual definition.
Hmm, nothing against it there.
Let's try dictionary.com
Nope, nothing against it there.
Your argument is frivolous so far.
However, whether it should be an official sport is up to question.
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| 15. Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 9:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Papersak wrote: | | The problem with DDR being a sport is that there is a limit to how good you can be. In sports, you keep working and working and you can keep getting better. |
Bowling? There's no such thing as a 300 game, no one's ever gotten one of those before.
Baseball? There's no such thing as a perfect game, no one's ever gotten one of those before.
Scoring and performance ceilings also exist in (and have been attained in) tennis (6-0, 6-0, 12 love games), darts (playing 501, a 9-dart checkout), pool, and any number of sports where you either (a) have an opponent and race to a certian number of points to determine a winner, or (b) play against a field and try and accomplish a task in a minimum number of attempts.
I would also argue that there are such things as "good" AAAs and "bad" AAAs. When I AAA a song, there's likely a few steps where I really pushed the Perfect window to its limit in order to get that AAA. I'd imagine that other players better than me feel the same way, that there's always room for improvment, even if the machine gives you a AAA or a 99.94% or whatever.
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| 16. Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 1:49 am Post subject: |
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Well you can look at fencing where the hits are electronically scored. It is physical, but and it does take skill to use the sabre, epee, rapier, and to use your legs. But scoring is done electronically. Winner is determined on who hits the other more often.
In Olympic boxing, three judges press a button to score a punch. Winner is determined by who lands the most punches.
Now we get to DDR. The panels record how accurate the steps are being done. On an ONI course, if you let four arrows miss, you are out. At the end of the ONI course, it adds up how many marvelouses, perfects, etc. Now I am sure that no one has had 100% marvelouses.
I guess what would help is if you are going to regulate DDR to certain elite standards. (For example, no bar, no speed modifiers, no note modifiers). Everything is done at default at 1x speed, no bar, and no performing enhancing drugs. 
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| 17. Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 8:12 am Post subject: |
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Wow, these flame wars are so entertaininng....... 
I can see why people are considering this to be a sport. I think it's just like the whole argument of whether or not cheerleading is a sport. There are a few others as well. Personally, I'm going to remain neutral. Though I do see the physical aspects that could make the game be an actual sport, I don't really see very much official competition with it. Maybe this is because it's under-appreciated, sort of like curling, shuffleboard, or things like that. Things like basketball, curling, baseball, et al., could not be considered sports by some people, merely because it is a game that people are playing with set rules, and just the amount of competitiveness with it has made it to be considered a sport.
However, like I said, I'm not going to go one way or another. I'm just gonna hook up the pad to the computer, load up StepMania, and play something I like. |
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| 18. Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 8:29 am Post subject: |
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People want to think arrow smashing is a sport so they can think they're playing something more serious than they actually are (i.e., a stupid looking video game).
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| 19. Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 9:59 am Post subject: |
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I don't think it should be considered a sport. It's just a game, but I guess it could be one for many reasons.
| Rahzel wrote: | Baseball? There's no such thing as a perfect game, no one's ever gotten one of those before.
tennis (6-0, 6-0, 12 love games) |
In both of these, you'll notice it's a person versus a person (or team vs. team, whatever), in which case a perfect game of baseball or tennis can be prevented if the players are skilled enough to make it that way.
| guariche wrote: | | Now I am sure that no one has had 100% marvelouses. |
Wrong.
And also, once you have a 100% in all songs from any dance game (and even if no one has), more difficult step patterns and songs should be made. Often a problem with DDR (although they're making ONE song or whatever) is that the songs aren't challenging enough, some have AAA'ed the game (not sure on doubles), and moved on to ITG2 or quit.
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