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| What should Vertex Expert be? |
| It should remain a twelve footer, the combination of mines and tempo changes make it hard enough; the world record for no eleven footer is lower. |
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| It should be an eleven, the patterns and rythms are too straightforward and the tempo-changes not chaotic enough; many people pass it before eleven footers like July and find it harder to score then songs like Clockwork Genesis. |
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J. S. Mill
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0.  Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 1:53 am Post subject: Vertex Poll |
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Figured we should adjudicate this debate. Should Vertex (In the Groove) be considered an eleven or a twelve?
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DJTyrant
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| 1. Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 9:13 am Post subject: |
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Maybe this should be sticked for a week or two since it comes up so often?
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0rion
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| 2. Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 2:52 pm Post subject: |
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There's simply no way Vertex is a 12. I'm sorry, but it's just not.
I had only passed one other 11 (Xuxa) when I beat Vertex for the first time, and I could already get an A regularly on it by the time I beat Charlene and Utopia.
People just think it's a 12 because they can only read at one, steady variation of speed and C-Mods are banned.
And even then, if you absolutely can NOT read without 1.5x, there is Mini, which makes the entire thing a cinch to play.
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Capajoe
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| 3. Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 2:53 pm Post subject: |
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| The fact is people NEED an easy 12, even if its considered an 11 by most... Vertex is only truely a 12 to those who havent seen mines before and thats about it. |
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IHYD.Blake
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| 4. Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 4:58 pm Post subject: |
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Vertex is a hard 9. I have a higher score on vertex than i do on lipstick kiss.
But, I still put it as an 11 on the poll.
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Marq(uistadorous)
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| 5. Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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| htmlrules1 wrote: | Vertex is a hard 9. I have a higher score on vertex than i do on lipstick kiss.
But, I still put it as an 11 on the poll. |
A HARD 9 !!!!! R U CRAZY Take a good look at Da Roots (folk mix) or Dynamite Rave or Tough Enough or Lemmings on the Run or ANY 9 and THEN tell me what you think about Vertex ex being a 9!! 
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Capajoe
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| 6. Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 7:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Marquistadorous wrote: | | htmlrules1 wrote: | Vertex is a hard 9. I have a higher score on vertex than i do on lipstick kiss.
But, I still put it as an 11 on the poll. |
A HARD 9 !!!!! R U CRAZY Take a good look at Da Roots (folk mix) or Dynamite Rave or Tough Enough or Lemmings on the Run or ANY 9 and THEN tell me what you think about Vertex ex being a 9!! |
Obviously hes talking about hard. |
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Boochypa
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| 7. Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 9:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Capajoe wrote: | | Obviously hes talking about hard. |
No he isn't.
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Darkicarus
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Synaesthesia
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| 9. Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 9:13 am Post subject: |
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The "but still" clause is the trick. But if that's not enough, let's actually examine his Groovestats. 98.7% on Vertex Expert, with no score listed on Lipstick Kiss, which makes sense, given that he says he only posts scores that are "good for him," and obviously he thinks he should do better on that song.
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DJTyrant
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| 10. Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 4:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Darkicarus wrote: | | boochypa wrote: | | No he isn't. |
I think he is. |
I'm certain he's not. I've seen him play and he absolutley destroys VerTex. Doesn't mean that I don't think it should remain a 12, I believe it should be just because of the multiple skills it requires in passing (reading at high AND low speeds, mine reading, etc.)
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tac-tics
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| 11. Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 8:10 pm Post subject: |
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Vertex should be like a 13 or something. Anyone who has tried to read Vertex^2 at 2.5x knows what I'm talking about.
Seriously.
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Paranoia_Brother
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| 12. Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 9:12 pm Post subject: |
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| tac-tics wrote: | Vertex should be like a 13 or something. Anyone who has tried to read Vertex^2 at 2.5x knows what I'm talking about.
Seriously. |
Why would you be even putting yourself through the visual strife of trying to comprehend Vertex^2 on x2.5? <----- That would be your problem right there.... considering that song gets to a top speed of about 555 bpm, then with your speed mod applied you're playing at a speed of 1,387.5 bpm.... ::pssst:: that's faster than Robotix....
However, though, i strongly feel that Vertex should stay a 12 (even though there is no possiblity that roxor games will go in and change it anyway  ). Why? Cause i use these three songs as a scale:
(Pandemonium-Summer Speedy Mix-PSMO)
I figure that Vertex is not AS HARD or stamina based as Pandemonium, nor is it as complicated as Summer Speedy Mix... so, for it to be a 13 is out of the question.
Then, i look at PSMO(yeah, i know, random ddr song  ) and i think how much easier/harder it is to that. If it's partially the same difficutly and comprehension as PSMO, then i say it should be an 11, but otherwise it's a 12.
As you can see from my little "song markers", i rate things according to other songs...
....yea i'm wierd.... 
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Boochypa
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| 13. Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 9:26 pm Post subject: |
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How is Summer complicated at all?
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Paranoia_Brother
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| 14. Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 10:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Boochypa wrote: | | How is Summer complicated at all? |
Although it does vary from person to person and skill level development, Summer -Speedy Mix- is rather exhausting. Take a look at the step chart herefor further details. Also, take a deeper look at the two consecutive runs at the end. It's basically like Delirium just split in two.
....but yet again (as a "disclaimer"), this song can vary in difficulty from person to person.
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IHYD.Blake
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| 15. Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 11:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Darkicarus wrote: | | boochypa wrote: | | No he isn't. |
I think he is.
| Capajoe wrote: | | Marquistadorous wrote: | | htmlrules1 wrote: | Vertex is a hard 9. I have a higher score on vertex than i do on lipstick kiss.
But, I still put it as an 11 on the poll. |
A HARD 9 !!!!! R U CRAZY Take a good look at Da Roots (folk mix) or Dynamite Rave or Tough Enough or Lemmings on the Run or ANY 9 and THEN tell me what you think about Vertex ex be a 9!! |
Obviously hes talking about hard. |
I would be perfectly sure but he added "But, I still put it as an 11 on the poll"
hmm...
I guess we just have to ask him when and if he visits this thread again. |
Vertex Arguements. Serious business.
K lemme explain everything.
I am talking about expert, not hard. Vertex is harder on hard than it is on expert, just like tribal style.
I put down a hard 11 because Mr. Kiba didnt put a hard 9 footer option on the poll. And 11 is closer to hard 9 than 12 is. Cory, please add that option to the poll. I have almost 14% better on Vertex Expert than I do on Delirium Expert.
Now to answer your guys' questions.
Marquistadorous: Nice of you to put Dynamite Rave in that list, hahaha. But yeah, Im good at Tough Enough too, but that is an easy 9 footer, not a hard one. All the other ones you listed are also the easiest 9s in the game. I have looked at all of them a few times, and I just so happened to have Groovestats #1 for Tough Enough for a while, until Reboman decided to play it again and frick up in the beginning.
Capajoe: Expert.
Boochypa: Correct.
Darkicarus: Wrong. Expert. By hard nine, I mean more difficult. I hate having a difficult called "hard" mode on ITG, makes everything so complicated to explain. For example, MFG is an easy 10, and Tension and DCH are hard 10s. Once again, there wasnt any hard 9 footer for the poll.
Synaesthesia (again): Haha, I suck at lipstick kiss and dont consider a 98.3x% good on a 9 footer. As a matter of fact, it sucks.
DJTyrant: Hahaha, thanks man. Even though whenever Im at a tournament i royally suck at 12 footers, and playing on dedicated cabinets dont help.
I think thats everyone who had a response related to my little post.
Anyway, That DDR guy at Gr. Lakes, if he says that summer isnt complicated, he has probably seen the stepchart before. And, it isnt complicated at all. Long streams at 185 are nor really complicated, they just take a lot of stamina and stuff.
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IHYD.Blake
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| 16. Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 11:30 pm Post subject: |
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Thats the last time Im ever making a post about an opinion.
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Kitten Nuggets
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| 17. Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 11:51 pm Post subject: |
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| htmlrules1 wrote: | Vertex is a hard 9. I have a higher score on vertex than i do on lipstick kiss.
But, I still put it as an 11 on the poll. |
I agree with this statement, but I think it has a lot to do with your playing style. I have a lot of stamina, and not so hot timing. My Vertex score is higher than my average 9-footer score, and pretty consistently too. So if the song rating is based off scores, for me at least I would rate it a 9. If you base it off how hard it is to pass, I can still see it being a 12. When I first started playing I thought it would be the last 12 I would pass, and it almost was. It all really depends, I can understand all sides of the arguement. I think overall 11 is what it should be. My guess for it being a 12 is because 612 bpm + tons of mines is hard for a lot of DDR players to do, especially with lots of stream.
But seriously guys, no need to freak out because he thinks it should be a 9. Everybody has different strengths and weaknesses, and it just so happens that this song meets his and my strengths.
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IHYD.Blake
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| 18. Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 11:56 pm Post subject: |
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Yay, thanks Jeff, for actually understanding that a poll like this is opinion and not a fuking math test. (for those of you dumbdumb heads, only one answer.)
How do I have a good playing style though? I play just like everyone else, and I have the worst stamina of anyone I know. I hardly pass other 12s when I play them. ~There arent any mine at the 612 bpm part untill after the freeze arrow at the end.
Haha, Its easier for me to pass vertex than it is for disconnected hyper. 200bpm streams are hard.
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Kitten Nuggets
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| 19. Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 12:30 am Post subject: |
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Shooting yourself in the foot...
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