What "makes" a 10 footer a 10 footer?

MadTaco · Trick Member Joined: 26 Apr 2005

Ever since getting DDR Extreme 2, I've finally played all the 10 footers in DDR, excluding Max. (period) and bag. During this, I've noticed the varying elements in all of these songs vary quite wildly, with the best example being bag vs. PSMO.

I've been trying to pass any MAX for around three months now, and I've played DDR/ITG for a year and a half (I suck). Tonight, I gave Sakura a shot, and passed it on my fourth try. Not to say I didn't have to give it everything my body had, it was quite difficult, but didn't require weeks of training as I expected it may. This shocked me, seeing as how I've attempted MAX 300, another 10 footer, over 200 times and the farthest I've made it is a few runs after the freeze.

So, what do you think constitutes a ten footer? I have a harder time with Exotic Ethnic than I do Sakura, as do many others from what I've seen.
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mydixiewrecked · Trick Member Joined: 29 Mar 2005

After much thinking, I have come to this conclusion:

A song becomes a 10 footer, when it's too hard to be a 9 footer.

Nougatrocity · Trick Member Joined: 12 May 2002 Location: Somerville MA

10-footers are physically exhaustive, extremely difficult to read, or both, and sometimes contain a variety of complex step patterns.

The Maxes are mostly f*cking fast, and the Paranoias are speedy with twisty step patterns.
bag is almost impossible to read without tons of practice.
Sakura is clearly the easiest 10-footer, but it has lots of runs at high speeds and fairly difficult patterns at speeds hard to read.

Why Cartoon Heroes isn't a 10-footer is anybody's guess.
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Synaesthesia · Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 9:42 pm Post subject:

Well, you certainly haven't passed all the 10-foot Doubles, and not even all the Singles (G2, Outer Limits, Paranoia Respect, etc.). Sakura may be easier to pass than EE at first glance, but PAing them is a different story. Sakura's tricky rhythms and steps make it harder to PA than EE, which is just a bunch of 1/8 notes at a few odd crossovers. Song ratings are judged not only by their difficulty to pass, but by difficulty to PA as well.
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MadTaco · Trick Member Joined: 26 Apr 2005

Agreed, but by that, what is it that makes Burning Heat! unworthy of a 10-foot rating? My number of greats on that is always stupidly high, even for my bad timing.
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Phrekwenci · Administrator Joined: 27 Feb 2002 Location: New York, NY

A 10 footer is a 10 footer when Konami says so. That's all it really comes down to. There's definitely songs that many people think are rated incorrectly, but there's nothing we can do about it.
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Nougatrocity · Trick Member Joined: 12 May 2002 Location: Somerville MA

Synaesthesia · Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 10:24 pm Post subject:

Burning Heat is only hard to time because it's so damn offsync.
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Paranoia_Brother · Trick Member Joined: 15 Mar 2005 Location: Clarkston, MI

Besides what everyone else keeps saying (it IS just because it IS a 10 footer), i think everyone has forgotten these aspects:

~Stream
~Chaos
~Air
~Freeze
~Voltage

I believe that once each of these ratings has hit a certain degree of difficutly, then that is how you determine a 10 footer.

... maybe i'm naive, but that's the repeating trend that i keep noticing...

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Synaesthesia · Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 6:49 am Post subject:

Maybe not in DDR. Now, as for ITG, I call Oasis Expert to the stand...
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Sora1421 · Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 7:30 am Post subject:

I agree with DDR guy..i belive when a song reaches too much of a combined stream,air,chaos, and voltage it becomes a 10 footer.
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MadTaco · Trick Member Joined: 26 Apr 2005

I'll admit that Cartoon Heroes is very difficult, and I'll probably never a grade above my current A on it, but compared to MAX 300, (in my opinion, of course) it's nowhere near a 10 footer. But compared to say, Sakura, then it most surely makes the mark for a 10 footer.

Everyone definitely plays in different ways and has their own strengths and weaknesses, so that's what makes it difficult to provide foot ratings that please everyone. I'm glad the 10 foot rating isn't thrown around freely, they just vary so dynamically between the songs.
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Daddead324 · Trick Member Joined: 23 Aug 2005 Location: Illinois

Yeah. it is almost always on beat. Cause heavy mode makes you do the hardest beats to follow.
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ParanoiaFantasy · Trick Member Joined: 07 Jul 2005 Location: Writing tCoR

burning heat is off sinc, get over it, its not that much offsync, barely noticeable, even in training, but yeah, its offsync

(that was the worst sentence i ever typed)
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Daddead324 · Trick Member Joined: 23 Aug 2005 Location: Illinois

Hence why I said Almost
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MadTaco · Trick Member Joined: 26 Apr 2005

Sorry, I wasn't trying to start a Burning Heat! triplets debate, I was just using it as an example becuase of its extremely high chaos rating and fairly high other ratings in comparison to existing ten footers.

Cartoon Heroes really is an impressive stepchart, and I feel a lot of creative and talented work went into it. If the stepchart maker so wanted to, there's a few spots where it could unquestionably been a 10.

I just got done with a small DDR party (woo) and showed my two friends the first 10 footer I could pass, Sakura, just to show off a little. One of them said that she thought it was really awesome how the player seems to go in "slow motion" for parts of the song and that's probably what made it a ten (which actually does make a good deal of sense, and made me think back to the topic at hand). She also said the same thing about Heaven is a '57 Metallic Gray, though

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