Politely staving off rabid DDR fanboys

'Ivan · Trick Member Joined: 01 Aug 2004 Location: Thailand

'Ello. At my arcade (which has both Extreme and an ITG 2 dedicated cab), I occasionally run into a group of DDR players (not a specific group of people, but these kinds of DDR players in general) that say I suck because I play the "cheap knockoff which is In the Groove".

Pretty much all of them are a bit older than me, but I can beat most of them in a DDR matchup anyways.

How do I get these sorts of people to leave me alone?
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arnoct · Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 3:15 am Post subject:

Put itching powder in their shorts
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Syncopation · Trick Member Joined: 03 Feb 2003

Just tell it like it is: of course it's like DDR, because In The Groove is like DDR turned up a couple of notches. It's got hands and mines, longer songs, and very challenging stepcharts.

Then of course, ask them if they've ever tried playing In The Groove, specifically, at an Expert level greater than 10 (although even the Expert 9's require extra stamina and often present a greater technical step challenge). And if they won't play... hmm... exactly what are they afraid of, why won't they try even one game of ITG?

Zanshin · Trick Member Joined: 16 May 2005 Location: Madison, WI

Go beat them royally in a game of DDR. Then, when you finish, say, "I got the skillz from ITG, yo!"

Talking ghetto while doing so is a personal preference though.
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Xatu23456 · Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 8:58 am Post subject:

I used to be an "ITG hater", but one day I decided to try the game...and I loved it

So tell them they should try it before they say anything about it.
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-SuperZero3 Gold- · Trick Member Joined: 26 Aug 2004 Location: Chattanooga, Tn

Tell them, yeah, it's a ripoff, but it's way more advanced, so why would I play that old as crap game any more?
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Cutriss · Staff Member Joined: 24 Jan 2002

Ignore them and let them live in their own little world.

And don't turn into one of them by hating on DDR.
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Paranoia_Brother · Trick Member Joined: 15 Mar 2005 Location: Clarkston, MI

Just ignore them. There is no reason to listen to them anyway... they're just being immature. You don't have to stoop down to their level. If you like ITG and DDR, then fine. It's not like someone is gonna condemn you for what you prefer.
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Thomas Hobbes · Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 2:08 pm Post subject:

Yeah, that happens a lot at the arcade I go to in San Francisco. There are some not so good players that only play DDR and don't even touch ITG. There was once this conference nearby so there was a lot of people in the arcade. Apparently there was this one guy that walked up to Hoodie and I while we were playing and said, "Whoo. What's this game? I just passed Max 300 so do you think I can do this?"

We were then like, "Yeah. ITG is a game like DDR with the same concept but there are some songs that are harder. They're harder because of the longer songs or the harder steps themselves. Try it."

He then put in his four tokens while we were playing and we decided to play some expert songs cause he asked us what modes there were, what the hardest ones were, so we thought it'd be best to show him. We played My Favourite Game and Xuxa expert steps and I think he was intimidated. He didn't want to play anymore.

It also happens with other people at the arcade. They'll talk BS to you about you playing ITG but when they see you at work, their chins will drop to the floor and it will stop. At least, it did for us.
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Wakka Lakka · Trick Member Joined: 12 Mar 2005

You could point out the hypocrisy of their 'cheap knockoff' statement by pointing out that their beloved DDR is basically a grey-market Japanese import on equally questionable moral footing. If they don't believe you, wait till the screen comes up that says "This game...copyrighted music and artwork...is for sale in Japan only" then ask them what country they are in

You might ask them if they enjoy paying the same price for 4.5 minutes of play that you pay for a minimum of 6 minutes (assuming 3 songs per play and equal tokens). You might ask why DDR is secretive about the song contents while ITG discolses the number of steps, hands, jumps, etc in a numerical format as well as providing 'fantastic' count and percent even in single song mode. Finally you could inquire why the arcade doesn't get a newer DDR machine since the copyright on Extreme says 2001(?).

I love DDR but damn I wish there was an ITG2 cabinet around my area, it's a great development for fans of dance games.

TAMAsurvivor · Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 3:32 pm Post subject:

How about having them play a survival course like perception where you must get less than 30 excellents or lose on song 3 with a full combo and have them tell you that oni mode is so hard. I personally think that roxor has redefined the challenge mode with their survival mode. or better yet if they like their DDR speed mods like 2x or 3x. have them play speeder and try Bloodrush on 4x and sweet world on 4.5x. or attempt 70% invisble and blink on Robtix hard with a flat mod. Oni mode is a pushover and cake walk compared to survival
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Instead of making fun of DDR fans, why don't you show them what ITG is all about and have them try it out. Before you know it, they'll get hooked on ITG in no time!

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Rancidfish · Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 12:06 am Post subject:

So far, when attempting to "convert" DDR fans to ITG, I've had good luck with Marathon Mode. I had a guy who was playing 8s and 9s on DDR play Hardcore Galore on normal, and he had a lot of fun. Before that, he was initially fairly reluctant about ITG, saying he "didn't like the songs." His friends who were watching tried too, and one of them really like PA theme. He played on medium, because he was only playing up to 5s or so on DDR.

If people still use the "it's a knockoff" debate, ask them if they've played any fighting games, and if so, which ones. If they mention anything that wasn't made by Capcom, say "Why? It's just a knockoff of Street Fighter," and the go play some more ITG. (If they only mention Capcom fighters, make up something about them being a ripoff of Double Dragon to make slightly different, but still believable, point.) If they don't get the message and continue to disrespect you for playing a "knockoff," just ignore them. They're stupid and don't matter anyway.

Anyway, I'd actually call In the Groove a cheap knockoff of DDR... but that doesn't make it not fun. In the Groove 2, though... there's obviously a lot more effort into making a game that feels professional, there. It's still a knockoff, but I wouldn't call it cheap. It's an awesome knockoff.
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Thomas Hobbes · Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 12:25 am Post subject:

The longest songs on In The Groove 1 are as follows:

Training (Dj Party Long Version) - 3:59
Turn It On - 2:11
Fly Away - 2:11
Hardcore of the North - 2:10
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