Euphoria V. Pandemonium

Brick Tamland(LoveRevenG) · Trick Member Joined: 21 Apr 2005 Location: NC

Well, I was thinking, about what Pandy is compared to Euphoria and here's what I'm thinking:

- Well Pandy is quite streamy, and fast
- While Euphoria is confusing and many different notes
- 64ths in Euphoria... not fun *pukes*
- Streams in Pandy... not fun *pukes again*
- Pandy's high score on groovestats.com is higher than Euphoria's high score... Pandy 13, Euphoria, 12...?

Any thoughts on this?

What are your opinions on Pandy V. Euphoria?

Whether, it's way harder, way easier, and so on.
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ThemsAllTook · Trick Member Joined: 10 Jan 2005 Location: Virginia, USA

Euphoria is way easier. It's slower (well, other than the 32nds and 64ths, but they're all simple drills), has many fewer step-jumps, and the patterns are much simpler. It also doesn't require nearly as much stamina.

I find Euphoria to be mostly a reading challenge. If you can figure out what the heck you're supposed to be doing, actually doing it isn't incredibly difficult. Pandemonium, on the other hand, would still be quite hard to pull off even if you had the entire chart memorized.

There's an advantage to Euphoria's slower speed: More arrow colors. Put it on 3x, and it's much more readable than a song at twice the BPM on 1.5x. Pandemonium only has red and blue arrows, which makes it harder to follow.

Pandemonium is relentless non-stop streams the whole way through. Euphoria gives you nice rests between 64th runs in the slowdown.

I can pass Euphoria. My best on Pandemonium is about 16%.

Euphoria is easier.

FujiFlame · Trick Member Joined: 15 Sep 2004 Location: Orlando, FL

I'd say Euphoria is far easier to pass than Pandy in regards to stamina, however, as long as you have the stamina to get consistent scores on both songs, odds are they will be higher scores on Pandy, considering there's nothing more complex than 1/8 notes in the song. I've passed Euphoria with an 85 ish, and have come to within 10 seconds of passing Pandy, but I know that within the first half of the song, FA is far better than ever in Euphoria, until later when I merely get tired.

Rancidfish · Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2005 10:58 pm Post subject:

My high score on Euphoria: 65ish%
My high score on Pandemonium: 1.82%

EL OH EL

Pandemonium is rape. It's fast, it's twisty, it's jumpy, and it doesn't let up. Euphoria has only a couple of hard parts, loads of breaks, and is slow and easy. It was my second 12.
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fidoxevil · Trick Member Joined: 17 Apr 2005 Location: santa cruz

For me, pandemonium is easier to Percentage attack, and Euphoria is easier to pass.
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Caleb Brightmore · Trick Member Joined: 09 Sep 2004

They're both stupid hard.
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-dark-xuxa · Trick Member Joined: 30 Jun 2005 Location: illinois

i cant pass either put i can see why Euphoria isnt 13
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Hands R' Us · Trick Member Joined: 15 Aug 2005 Location: Mars

For the most part, I think that Pandemonium is still harder. It's so freaking hard to read the jumps at 1.5x, especially given the sheer speed of the song. It pretty much resembles The legend of MAX from DDR on steroids. As far as Euphoria is concerned, it's a little easier because you have more flexibility with the mods due to the slower BPM. I haven't passed either song on Expert, but when I take a crack at Euphoria, I use the 5x, flat, and mini modifier combo.

yagsimit69 · Trick Member Joined: 05 Jan 2004 Location: rochester

pandy=harder to pass
euphoria=harder to FA

ParanoiaFantasy · Trick Member Joined: 07 Jul 2005 Location: Writing tCoR

Euphoria is stupid hard, 32nd notes at 140 BPM?? 16ths at 280?? Thats un heard of. No one can move there feet that fast. The arrows are retarded and there just to be harder than DDR. Thats why I gave up ITG.

Pandemonium isn't quite as stupid, but it still is. Hard mode is more to the beat than expert mode, because Roxor also made Pandy stupid hard. That long line of step-jumps should be taken out and replaced with sets of gallops. Some streams are longer then they should be. I wouldn't be surprised if they made a Pandemonium^2, and it had 8th note crossovers at 500 BPM, while throwing in random jumps too.
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ThemsAllTook · Trick Member Joined: 10 Jan 2005 Location: Virginia, USA

ParanoiaFantasy · Trick Member Joined: 07 Jul 2005 Location: Writing tCoR

That still doesn't explain Pandemonium.

Anyway, I listened to the song again, and now I can actually here what the 32nd notes are for, so I guess I was proven wrong.

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ThemsAllTook · Trick Member Joined: 10 Jan 2005 Location: Virginia, USA

I would have to at least somewhat agree with you about Pandemonium being stupid hard. I mean, the person who wrote the chart can't even pass it... However, I can't either, so I'm withholding judgement until I can.

Actually, I'm curious. Is there anyone here who finds Pandemonium's expert steps fun, or do you all just play it for the challenge? I can see the fun in the other 13s and the 12s (with the possible exception of Bloodrush), but Pandemonium mostly just seems like a whole lot of pain.

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patrickstar2o6 · Trick Member Joined: 26 Aug 2005

Well to me on Stepmania(keyboard) Euphoria is harder, because of those 64th notes and i have to put it on 3x and thats kinda quick for Pandemonium, i dont have to do anything, i can Ace it easily but not AA or AAA

FujiFlame · Trick Member Joined: 15 Sep 2004 Location: Orlando, FL

The speed mod you play a song on shouldn't really be a deciding factor on its difficulty. Of course 3x is quick for Pandy, but their BPMs are different, so you wouldn't put it on 3x to match Euphoria's speed on 3x. Euphoria 3x is 420 I think, and Pandy is 330 on 1x and 495 on 1.5x, so they just really aren't comparable by speed mods -- unless you happen to have an issue where you can't read anything as slow as 330, and have problems reading things as fast as 495...then it would be understandable.

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Mio · Trick Member Joined: 07 Dec 2004 Location: Ventura n'

For a well-enduranced, good PA'er Pandemonium is usually much easier because it is very straight forward and easy to time. Euphoria on the other hand is pretty confusing and has those spazzy 64ths.

On the flipside, a person that has difficulty passing harder songs will usually be able to pass Euphoria much easier than Pandemonium since it is less tiring and isn't as constantly streaming.