acceptance of speed modifiers

tortoise · Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 6:02 am Post subject: acceptance of speed modifiers

Hey all,

In DDR I never use speed mods just because I started at 3rd mix and am very used to 1x DDR. I think in DDR, speed mods are "cheating".

But over in PIU, where there is no equivalent to vivid and the arrow configuratin makes it hard to read, 2x and even 3x is very common. I use 2x in PIU all the time.

What about ITG? Those 16th note runs in 9+ songs are hard as hell to read. Do people generally go to 2x? Is there a "social stigma" with them?

I know I can just do whatever the hell I want, but I am just curious of the culture in general picked a norm, much like the DDR and PIU crowd seemed to.

'Ivan · Trick Member Joined: 01 Aug 2004 Location: Thailand

Yes, you're right, it's VERY different in ITG.

1.5 is like...standard.

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I use x3/4/5 on just about everything (x1.5 on vertex and pandemonium).

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cj iwakura · Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 9:24 am Post subject:

I use 3 on PIU, and 2/sometimes 3 on DDR.. on ITG, 2.5 is perfect. (Unless it gets to 200+ BPM territory, then it's back to 2.)

In my opinion, ITG/DDR arrow scroll on 1x is faster by definition than PIU's. 1x on PIU is like.. .5 on DDR.
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-SuperZero3 Gold- · Trick Member Joined: 26 Aug 2004 Location: Chattanooga, Tn

For me, it's DDR-1.5 or 2, ITG-2.5, PIU-2, with exceptions on all.

Speed mods are completely accepted on PIU and ITG because, with all due respect to those wierd 1x people, it's almost impossible to read the patterns. I mean, maybe you can show off your skills with 1x, but it isn't something you'd want to use for sightreading, because it's all just too close together.

Bag 1x is like Euphoria 1x, except Euphoria is much harder.
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Wolfman Jake · Trick Member Joined: 13 Sep 2002

The acceptance of speed mods in ITG is similar to the acceptance of High Speed settings in beatmaniaIIDX. In fact, most IIDX players will tell you that HS mods are simply the rule in the game. Beyond about 2 or 3 stars on Light7, the note patterns become too complicated and clustered to read at regular speed. The same is true of the more complicated 9's and up on ITG. The Expert charts especially are so dense with 16th notes (and worse) that it becomes too hard to read unless you up the scroll speed. The difficulty in ITG is intended to be based only upon the step patterns and not reading the notes, IMO. This isn't the same approach as DDR has taken, in which some songs are difficult ONLY because of the density of notes and slow scroll speed (see Orion.78 (AM Euro Mix) and bag). Increasing the scroll rate invalidates the difficulty ratings on such DDR songs, hence why many players express such a strong opposition to their use.
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cfusionpm · Trick Member Joined: 24 Jan 2002 Location: San Diego, CA

i play 1x for everything, unless it has a stupid ammount of fast, bunched up 16th notes, then i use 2x. anything more is unecessary IMO.
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Shinmizu · Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 11:35 am Post subject:

I've started using 1.5x on some 10's and higher on ITG (and. For things in the 7 and below range (and some 8's) I use Beat & Bumpy, because they're just fun modifiers.
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Thomas Hobbes · Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 12:06 pm Post subject:

I need C600. >=O C500 is slow.

I use speed mods to be able to read better cause I hold the bar and play at high speeds to get optimal FA.

I often use 2.5x AT LEAST. Unless it's a stupid song like VerTex or Pandemonium (even though I can't pass the latter), on 1.5x. If I feel lazy or don't want to try, 1x. I usually play on 3x and on the songs that are stupidly slow (90-110), I play 4x and sometimes 5x.

I like 450 to 550 bpm, sometimes 600.
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Rickidi · Trick Member Joined: 05 Oct 2002 Location: Qué¢¥c

1x no bar player here. For the 11 and 12, I can't pass anything yet

And it's mostly because it's too slow, but I keep 1x anyway. It would be funny to pass Pandemonium before any 11 or 12.

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Soda · Trick Member Joined: 05 Apr 2005

I like to keep my arrow speeds between 450 and 520 when I play, but with the lack of 3.5x this isn't possible on songs of around 140 bpm ; ; Come on RoXor, give us 3.5x for ITG2 PS2!

It's weird though, because on keyboard 500 is WAAAAAAAY slow. When I play keyboard SM I use either C800 Overhead or C1000 Hallway with the ITG2 theme.

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