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Official IN THE GROOVE Thread - New arcade dancing game!
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0. PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2003 8:55 am    Post subject: Official IN THE GROOVE Thread - New arcade dancing game! Reply with quote

YEP, I'm serious!

This game is called "In The Groove" and it's being developed and published by Roxor Games http://www.roxorgames.com/itg.html in conjunction with Chris Danford (the guy who created Stepmania), KeEL (an AMAZING doubles player and original composer), and NONE OTHER THAN Foyboy to create steps for the game.

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In the Groove Features:

Over 40 Popular, American style songs
4 Different Ways to Play
4 Levels of Difficulty, from Easy to Super-Tight timing
2-minute songs, 33% longer than other dance games!
Built-in tournament scoring
Dynamic and varied announcer characters
Secret unlockable songs
Clear, American-stlye interface
Unique and vivid background animation and video sequences for each song

4 Cooperative Play Styles
Dance Party modes give players a friendly environment to just get into the music and dance, freestyle, learn new moves and songs, and help other players learn. 2 one-player styles and 2 two-player styles offer players a customized experience.

2 Competitive Play Styles
Battle modes pit players in a test of skills and strategy against one of several computerized opponents or another human player. Dancers are challenged by crazy tricks meant to trip them up, and they acquire tricks to use on opponents based on how well they are dancing. Perfect for abusing your friends, or yourself!

Marathon Courses
For those who can keep going (and going), Marathon courses give the player up to 5 songs in a row! If they can handle all of the effects without too many mis-steps, victory will be sweet!

Special Training Courses
There is no confusion for brand new players with In the Groove. Players can learn the interface and get the basic skills without being failed for mis-steps, since training songs play all the way through regardless of how well the player does. Each lesson uses different music and shows helpful tips to make learning basic moves easier.


Basically, they're trying to make a dancing game that CATERS to the DDR player. We all think that Extreme was the last mix of DDR, so, if you have suggestions on what you would want to see in a mix, POST HERE to let the designers know what YOU'D LIKE TO SEE.

YES, they currently are planning to ship this IN AN ARCADE CABINET. They have already worked out all legal issues involving differences between it and DDR (they changed the song length, changed the step perspective, a whole new interface, etc), so this is not a forum to discuss this.

I have played it thanks to an owner at a local arcade called ILLUSIONZ which allowed Chris and Chris and Keel to put In the Groove in an arcade cabinet to test it. THERE ARE REALLY GOOD SONGS on this mix. I just hope there are going to be more. ;_; Not to mention the advanced steps are AMAZINGLY DIFFICULT for a few of the songs (of course, they were written by Foyboy).

SO, please help them by making any suggestions/comments you'd like to add.

There are more pictures/movies here:
http://www.stepmania.com/stepmania/itgpics/10-16-03%20Iz%20(Kyle)/

(edit by rampage -- changed subject, made sticky)
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1. PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2003 9:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is cool I guess...but 40 songs is not a lot at all.

Personally, I think they should just make a Stepmania cabinet...include the ability to customize skins, songs, announcers, courses, etc. as you please. Arcade operators could include any song they wanted on the machine.....with the understanding that the manufacturers of the cabinet/engine would not be legally responsible for anything said operator chose to include, of course E13.gif
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2. PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2003 10:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Come on people, stop doing the small text thing. It's so lame.

Ugh, anyway, this seems pretty cool. I haven't been playing DDR long enough to give any cool suggestions, so I'll sit back and see how this thing goes. I love the company name. E1.gif
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3. PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2003 10:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree 40 songs is not enough.

Two questions...

1. The American songs...what genres and artists?

2. Is this geared more toward tech players or freestylers or is it 50/50?

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4. PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2003 11:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In regards to the song count, that's just what they have RIGHT now. That isn't to say that they won't add a lot more songs before the official release.

As far as it goes, this is basically Stepmania with a new interface and predefined songs. Customizability is something else... very difficult to do without an internet connection to the cabinets and very smart arcade operators.

The songs are a techno/trance/dance mixture mostly for now. There's a few classical type remixes that are AWESOME. I'm not sure about the freestyle mix of songs, actually... or the steps associated, but Chris designed his steps so that you could do moves associated with the arrow patterns.

I'm not sure about the quality of the standard/easy steps.
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5. PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2003 11:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds cool, I like the Idea that I don't have to listen to: "YOU'RE LIKE SUNSHINE ON A CLOUDY DAY!!". anymore. E1.gif
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6. PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2003 12:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

oh dear god, i thought this was dead.

these guys came into my arcade about a year ago and took the guts out of our 5th mix machine (BASTARDS) and stuck a PC in the back. they were apparently using my arcade as the first test location. it took them about a week just to get the thing working, and when it did, it was retarded. like, stupid retarded. like "oh dear god why would anyone want to play this crap" retarded. we were also quite concerned with the legal issues, considering they were using a fucking ddr cabinet.

of course, what i saw was probably a pre-alpha...but still. that left a VERY bad taste in my mouth, and i don't plan on ever supporting "roxxor" games.

edit : after looking at the pics, it still seems lame. they're still using konami's ddr cabinets and pads and the interface still sucks. it does seem, however, that they've added harder steps (test version i played, their 10 was like a ddr 5).
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7. PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2003 12:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, when you played it, it wasn't even in a beta stage yet (beta is pre alpha). They've added a lot more new songs, and add new steps on a daily basis.

I work in the video game development industry and MOST games suck buttocks until like one month until their released to the public. It takes a lot of work/chaos until things run smoothly and then it all comes together.

I've been playing In The Groove for the past 2 days and haven't touched a DDR machine because I'm obsessed with the advanced level steps (which are like DDR level 10 or 11 foot) that I can't pass ;_;.

You have to realize that this is still in it's earlier stages, and they say they have all the legal stuff worked out, so we'll see. biggrin.gif
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8. PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2003 3:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think this would be as fun as DDR based on the description I'm getting. I've had a few bad experiences with other arcade dance games other that DDR. One example is Techno Motion. It had less than 20 songs, they all sounded like crap, the arrows were unclear, and the pad couldn't even register my steps properly. I'm not saying In the Groove is gonna be like that, at least I hope not.
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9. PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2003 3:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is weird... The very bottom picture (with the arrows in the cardinal directions with the arrows coming out of a giant hole in the ground) is EXACTLY what my idea was for a new mode. The only problem I had in thinking of it was how to give a person time to respond to the arrows. The arrows are visible for a long time, making it easier to play faster songs without having problems responding right away.
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10. PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2003 4:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Moved to Other Bemani & Music Games, as this isn't DDR.
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Cute picture Zoot, now fix the editor bug before I go nuts!

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13. PostPosted: Sat Oct 25, 2003 10:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm, there's some other stuff on that website that looks very familiar...

If Roxor Games is publishing Tuxracer, it's surprising that www.tuxracer.com and www.sunspirestudios.com don't actually link to the Roxor Games website, and vice versa. Not to mention that their listing for Abuse doesn't mention Crack Dot Com or open source. Of course nothing on the site actually says that they sell or distribute these games, so maybe they just like making web pages for other people's games.

Pretty suspicious.
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Hey Brad,

We're totally about open source. Our arcade boxes are built on Debian Linux. I've presented to the O'Reilly Open Source conference three times about game development. I also wrote an article about open souce MMPs in the recent book, "Massively Multiplayer Game Development". We haven't made a big deal about it on the website because, well, we've been busy working on the games. : )

You may notice that our website is pretty minimal, it definitely needs an update. We have licensed Tux, Abuse, and SM from the original authors to develop arcade versions. Cross-linking between our site and theirs has yet to be done, expect it first on stepmania.com. Good suggestions, though, if you have any more ideas for the website I'm all ears.

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15. PostPosted: Sat Oct 25, 2003 1:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"American Style interface"

lol... I dunno, this game looks so amateurish, and I really don't think it will do well at all unless they come up with some really awesome ideas... I mean, the scoring has killer and chill in it...that's so frick gay lol.

Also, stuff like "Rome-e0 and Juli8" ... do they actually think that people think that is a cool way to spell it...this game is a gigantic stereotype of what they think people think is cool...when really is it just really really really retarted.

If they wanted to do something right, and they were the SM guys, they should just make stepmania cabinets where you can plug a USB storage device in and load your own steps... then they wouldn't have legal trouble with Konami, and they would get about 800000 times more money, because that idea, unlike the one they have right now, is a good one.
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16. PostPosted: Sat Oct 25, 2003 1:19 pm    Post subject: Song spelling Reply with quote

Ultros,

Hey, that's how the musician spelled it, not us. : )

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17. PostPosted: Sat Oct 25, 2003 1:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I know I was quite harsh in my last post, but since you seem to be answering here and whatnot...did you guys ever consider just making a stempania cabinet? I can assure you 100% that it will do MUCH better than your current idea...
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18. PostPosted: Sat Oct 25, 2003 1:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Ultros,

You mean shipping a cabinet with no songs built in? Or just one that you can also play your own songs on?

100% huh? Well, if you'd like to invest... ; )

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19. PostPosted: Sat Oct 25, 2003 2:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

deeptape wrote:
Hey Ultros,

You mean shipping a cabinet with no songs built in? Or just one that you can also play your own songs on?

100% huh? Well, if you'd like to invest... ; )

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No, you can put original songs, the ones you already have for your game, but also make it let you play your own songs... people don't want to see silly modes like arrows that scroll towards you instead of up...those add no gameplay, they are simply gimmicks.

And I said 100% sure it will do BETTER, not 100% sure it will do good.
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