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am i the only one sick of the guitar hero craze?
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20. PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 2:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

well, in my opinion, the EBA songlist was pretty lackluster(although jumpin jack flash and walkie talkie man are both good songs), but i still have a blast with that game.
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21. PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 5:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cfusionpm wrote:
J-POP_FOR_LIFE wrote:
prime example of this: elite beat agents. it may have had a terrible songlist


incorrect.

QFT

If you're honestly going to tell me that EBA had a lackluster songlist, then you should just give up all hope in american music and buy ouendan. I swear, had Guitar Hero had at least FIVE j-pop songs, I bet we wouldn't have to see anymore of your "guitar hero sucks" threads.

I'll agree that Guitar hero may not be the Mona Lisa of music games, but goddamned is it fun.
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22. PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 7:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mike's right. If you don't like the Guitar Hero music, there's about a NO% chance you'll like the game.
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23. PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 9:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think Guitar Hero is alright, I vastly enjoyed its prequel and the songlist has alot of songs that I like. I will agree, GH's fanbase will pretty much scoff and compare everything else to it, but that's how it is with EVERYTHING else.

However this example has already been stated.

What I can't wait for is if/when Guitar Revolution (GF US) will come out, so I can

1. FINALLY play Guitar Freaks
and
2. see what the GH C-suckers will say about it, and then proceed to prove them wrong.
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24. PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 9:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Mike's right. If you don't like the Guitar Hero music, there's about a NO% chance you'll like the game.


That's true. That's why I don't like GH
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25. PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 1:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i actually like a lot of the music on GH2, i mean i listen to more music than just j-pop. Sure, i'll take utada hikaru or mika nakashima over any artist on guitar hero(as far as listening goes), but thats just me and my weird music tastes. but in all honesty, i really like YYZ by rush, the trogdor song(who doesnt?), and a few others i dont remember the title to that were really cool songs on GH2. i understand im not gonna see ayumi hamasaki on any US music game ever. I ACCEPT THAT!! im not gonna whine about the songlist because i know most people with normal music tastes like it, as i learned with elite beat agents. its not the songs that kill it for me, its the overly repetetive gameplay(since most songs last 4+minutes) and simplicity of the grading that kills it. why? because i totally dug spanish castle magic on guitar hero 1. why? because it was under 3 minutes and never got too repetetive. that ones the one song i really enjoy on guitar hero.

i really dont get why songs are so long, because i know from enough DDR with friends that waiting is a doggy, expecially when theres only 1 controller in the room. they could AT LEAST make shortened versions on quick play. thats just my 2 cents.
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26. PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 1:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

J-POP_FOR_LIFE wrote:
its not the songs that kill it for me, its the overly repetetive gameplay(since most songs last 4+minutes)


You either play too much ddr or you punch small children in the face when you hear trance music. If you can't listen to a song for more than three minutes, you either have ADD or you fail at listening to music.

And how in the world is EBA repetitive in terms of gameplay? If it had the same exact pattern coming up for you to hit, then MAYBE, but every song I've seen has different patterns of moves to do throughout the song (with the exception of the beginner mode, and that's acceptable).

Honestly, you need to stop making these threads. Had you had a GOOD excuse not to like the game, I'd understand, but all you can say is "waaahh, the music sucksss" and "waahhhh, boring gradingggg", so you need to do us all a favor and STOP.
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27. PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 1:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the music in GH IS too long. at least every one of my friends who plays it agrees with me.

i love the game, but i hate playing it cuz the songs are so goddamn long. i'd rather see a lot more shorter songs than fewer, longer songs. maybe have a couple full versions as bonus or something. i think it was just lazy on the developer's side, because that means they dont have to do any audio editing work; just throw in the song as is.
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28. PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 1:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dark Hogosha wrote:

It happens with every genre. Take SFIII: 3rd Strike or Guilty Gear XX (pick a version), two of the greatest fighting games of all time. If you show that to some random guy walking into Best Buy or Wal-Mart, you'll get the response "OH LAWDS IS DAT LIEK MORTAL KOBMAT?!"

While absolutely right in this regard (and kudos for picking some exceptional games), I would not refer to Guitar Hero as the Mortal Kombat of the rhythm game world. The reason it's so popular is because it has songs that easily and immediately recognizable to anybody picking up the game; DDR does, too, but generally, they're unfortunately the least fun to play.

I like Guitar Hero but I'm terrible -- my fingers lack the dexterity to play at quickly enough speeds. Plus, I can play more than two songs without jamming some fingers. When I'm older, I just know I'm going to have some terrible arthritis.
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i think it was just lazy on the developer's side, because that means they dont have to do any audio editing work; just throw in the song as is.


or MAYBE they don't want to butcher it through editing. besides, you DO know that every song on the game is rerecorded by another artist, right? So how is that lazy?
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30. PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 6:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mike Blitz wrote:
You either play too much ddr or you punch small children in the face when you hear trance music. If you can't listen to a song for more than three minutes, you either have ADD or you fail at listening to music.


GH has no music variety, and the songs themselves are generally too repetitive to create engaging gameplay. I don't know how familiar you are with other bemani but I think any IIDX enthusiast could maybe relate to the nightmarish idea of a style consisting of nothing but 4 minute The Sound Of Goodbye's.
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I don't know how familiar you are with other bemani but I think any IIDX enthusiast could maybe relate to the nightmarish idea of a style consisting of nothing but 4 minute The Sound Of Goodbye's.


i have the full version of the sound of goodbye and i cant stand it because its just the same crap over and over for way too long. but its not nearly as bad as the long version of EVO66.

listening to music and playing a music game are two completely different things. songs in music games shouldnt be longer than 2-3 minutes MAX.
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32. PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 6:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

since cfusionpm is the only one here who takes what i say into consideration, i guess i'll tell you what the problem is: i dont know why i dont like the game. i like the songlist(it's not my #1 choice of music, but GH and GH2 both had a lot of songs i like on it), i love music games, i like weird controllers, and i like the overall "look" of the game. in fact, the moment i saw some E3 thing of Guitar Hero, i thought it looked like the coolest game ever. then i played it, and it just felt "blah." well, it could be because the songs are too long and repetetive. Problem there: i love the 5th mix long songs on DDR; hot limit is one of my favorite DDR songs of all time to play. but in guitar hero, it just all feels so bland. i just lose interest after playing for about 3 minutes. maybe the game just isnt for me.
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33. PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 7:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, I do know what you mean with the song length. I've heard the complaint from others, and there are more than a few times where the song just gets repetitive and drawn-out. It really depends on the song sometimes, though. Like for me...I personally think Hot Limit is about 3 minutes too long. E15.gif

In fairness to the people in this thread, however, you started off the thread pretty much goin' WAAAAH I HATE GH!!!11one, and that's usually not a good way to get positive attention. Especially on the intertubes.
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I don't dislike GH, but I kinda get annoyed by all the buzz its gotten. To be honest, one of my favorite parts of being an ITG player (and this pretty much goes with any other bemani/rhythm game) is the kinda small, tight-knit community. When you have a game like GH that is trying to bring the music/rhythm genre "mainstream" it almost feels like its trying to take away from that smaller community feeling (the reason I don't play DDR anymore btw). I like being able to make little jokes and such with my friends that no one else gets (example - in jazz band, if one of our instruments is slightly out of tune "Oh crap, reed way off").

and there's my $00.02
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J-POP_FOR_LIFE wrote:
maybe the game just isnt for me.


Now you're just backing off because an actual argument is happening, with logical reasoning. Why am I not surprised?


I think that the song lengths are perfect for the game. When you play a song on a guitar, you don't aim to play an excerpt, you aim to play the entire song, which is what the game is trying to simulate: ACTUAL GUITAR PLAYING (although it may not have done it effectively). Besides, playing the entire song actually makes you feel like you're performing, which is fun.

Oh, and the music variety comment made by blackdth is just stupid. Were you expecting hip hop on guitar hero? Expecting to jam out to Diddy or fiddy? IT'S GUITAR HERO. OF COURSE THEY'RE ONLY GOING TO PUT ROCK ON IT.
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36. PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 6:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Oh, and the music variety comment made by blackdth is just stupid. Were you expecting hip hop on guitar hero? Expecting to jam out to Diddy or fiddy? IT'S GUITAR HERO. OF COURSE THEY'RE ONLY GOING TO PUT ROCK ON IT.


erm.gif No, I would expect a variety of guitar-based music. Go check out Guitar Freaks for some examples of non-traditional music on a guitar based rhythm game...
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Go check out Guitar Freaks for some examples of non-traditional music on a guitar based rhythm game...


Is this aimed at me or the general guitar hero fanbase of america, because you know damned well that they wouldn't because THEY DON'T CARE. They like what is CONVENIENT to them and aren't gonna bother IMPORTING anything from japan, especially a game that's most likely FULL of japanese rock music and music with guitars in it. The music on guitar hero appeals to the AMERICAN audience, and that's what they're aiming for in the first place. Don't like it, whatever. For every one weaboo who hates GH, there's about a hundred american frat boys and gamers who love it.
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38. PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 6:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mike Blitz wrote:
BlackDth wrote:

Go check out Guitar Freaks for some examples of non-traditional music on a guitar based rhythm game...


Is this aimed at me or the general guitar hero fanbase of america, because you know damned well that they wouldn't because THEY DON'T CARE. They like what is CONVENIENT to them and aren't gonna bother IMPORTING anything from japan, especially a game that's most likely FULL of japanese rock music and music with guitars in it. The music on guitar hero appeals to the AMERICAN audience, and that's what they're aiming for in the first place. Don't like it, whatever. For every one weaboo who hates GH, there's about a hundred american frat boys and gamers who love it.


To start off I'd like to point out:

Mike Blitz wrote:
weaboo


laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif you have to be kidding, FLCL is like the ultimate weeaboo anime, so don't even start with that.

And you're jumping to conclusions. I have GF4/DM3 for PS2 and I loved the variety of it. Hardly any of it is Japanese, and even less of it is overbearingly so. Don't let jpopforlife's criticisms of Guitar Hero ruin your perception of Freaks. Also I can confidently say that Depend on You (by ayumi hamasaki) is easily one of my most hated songs on GFDM. You know why? Cause the song and notechart is simplistic and repetitive as fuck. That's why I don't like most of Guitar Hero. At least Depend On You is short, though.
Anyways, I guess the comment was aimed mostly at you cause my post was about why I personally don't like Guitar Hero, not why it is intrinsically a poopy game due to factors beyond the average american's comprehension (coughjpop4lifecougH). I realize how it was marketed, and I realize a lot of morons like the game. That doesn't change the reasons why I myself objectively find it hard to enjoy.
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39. PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 7:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like how Mike Blitz at least admits that "Americans and frat boys" play GH, which shows the demographic the game goes for... people who don't appreciate the game for what it is, want to pick up a plastic toy guitar and go "ZOMG look guys I'm so good at this badass game"

Seriously. Stop arguing. We're not 12 anymore, although I wouldn't put it past some people if they really were 12. We're not going to like every single game that gets put out on the market. We're not all going to like every song on every music game. None of this drama queen bullcrap, okay kiddies?

EDIT: JPop for life, if you can't handle long songs, why do you like Hot Limit? That's a long version song on 5th mix. Seems odd, no?

As far as weeaboos go, I know people who play Bemani games and are not. Ironic that you have FLCL as your signature though.... do you even know what a weeaboo is? =/
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