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0. Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 11:47 am Post subject: How come no one else in Bemani would make arcade DDR songs |
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...besides Naoki, jun, Sota, & U1? (Yes, I remember THL's 3rd Mix songs, but he's a 1-shot.)
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I think it's unfathomable that DDR only has Naoki as its in-house founding artist; as a result, it is widely believed that even smile .dk, X-Treme, The Specials, The Olivia Project, EPMD, Mantronik, JT Playaz, KC & The Sunshine Band, and Bus Stop are also considered as "The Founding Artists of DDR." Heck, even other franchises have more than 5 in-housers as founding artists.
Also, I've noticed that other Bemani artists who would do DDR would either start on a CS (1), do a collaboration (2), or both (3).
Case 1: Sota started his DDR career on 5th Mix CS with Look to the Sky. Akira Yamaoka had You're not Here and Your Rain (Rage Mix).
Case 2: Kakumei, as everybody knows, is a collaboration with dj. TAKA & Naoki.
Case 3: Tomosuke collaborate with U1 for 2 Disney mix songs and nothing else.
Yes, I'm well aware that Thomas Howard Lichtenstein, while primarily a vocalist on GFdm, made La Senorita and Silent Hill back in 3rd Mix.
Because of this, the franchise is swamped with licenses and crossovers.
Would someone please explain to me why this is the case on DDR, but not on other Bemani franchises? _________________
BeForU was easily the heart and soul of DDR, until someone in Konami thought that it's a threat to the current structure (read: Konami's blatant overfunding of IIDX/pop'n).
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The Wise Fool Trick Member
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1. Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 5:08 pm Post subject: Re: How come no one else in Bemani would make arcade DDR son |
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JA! wrote: | Would someone please explain to me why this is the case on DDR, but not on other Bemani franchises? |
Would you please tell us what it is you're referring to? |
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2. Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 9:13 pm Post subject: Re: How come no one else in Bemani would make arcade DDR |
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The Wise Fool wrote: | JA! wrote: | Would someone please explain to me why this is the case on DDR, but not on other Bemani franchises? |
Would you please tell us what it is you're referring to? |
The fact that DDR has only 4 full-time composers, while other franchises like IIDX have more than that number.
Specifically, yes, we've seen Naoki make arcade-ready GFdm/PoMu/IIDX songs; yet, on the other hand, we haven't seen Mutsuhiko Izumi/Taka (Kakumei is the exemption)/Des-ROW/any other Bemani artist/band make songs specifically made for DDR--with the exception of THL, who made 2 DDR songs back in 3rd Mix.
I hope it helped. _________________
BeForU was easily the heart and soul of DDR, until someone in Konami thought that it's a threat to the current structure (read: Konami's blatant overfunding of IIDX/pop'n).
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Arctic Wolves Trick Member
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3. Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 12:42 am Post subject: |
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True, it is too bad that many Bemani artists don't make songs for DDR, though I think we're starting to see a slight increase in the number of artists making songs for DDR. It's still almost completely NAOKI, U1, and SySF., with jun stepping up and making a considerable appearance on SuperNOVA, but I'm glad to see that Togo project has Koibito in DDR Universe and that kobo has made both Trim and MOONSTER for DDR SuperNOVA. Of all the artists to suddenly compose for DDR, I certainly wasn't expecting either kobo or Togo project! It was also awesome to see AKIRA YAMAOKA come up with INSIDE YOUR HEART for Extreme 2, he's been pretty good for the past three mixes, with You're Not Here and Your Rain (Rage Mix) for Extreme, and also the DDR version of iFUTURELIST.
But I also imagine that this is why DDR relies so heavily, far too heavily in my opinion, on crossovers from other Bemani. Licenses, although scarce in other Bemani, also help flesh out DDR songlists, but I also think the licensed songs are part of the core of DDR and should remain regardless. I also think to help combat this problem, Konami has been commissioning artists to create new music for them; see nc, the numerous outside Konami remixes of songs on this years V-RAREs. _________________
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YuMeXsHiNjItE Trick Member
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4. Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 9:34 pm Post subject: |
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JA! wrote: |
Also, I've noticed that other Bemani artists who would do DDR would either start on a CS (1), do a collaboration (2), or both (3).
Case 1: Sota started his DDR career on 5th Mix CS with Look to the Sky. Akira Yamaoka had You're not Here and Your Rain (Rage Mix).
Case 2: Kakumei, as everybody knows, is a collaboration with dj. TAKA & Naoki.
Case 3: Tomosuke collaborate with U1 for 2 Disney mix songs and nothing else.
Yes, I'm well aware that Thomas Howard Lichtenstein, while primarily a vocalist on GFdm, made La Senorita and Silent Hill back in 3rd Mix.
Because of this, the franchise is swamped with licenses and crossovers.
Would someone please explain to me why this is the case on DDR, but not on other Bemani franchises? |
Akira Yamaoka did "i feel..." for MAX2 AC. I don't believe that was after You're Not Here or Your Rain
dj.TAKA's first song was not a collaboration with Naoki. His first song on the series is probably the original Gradiusic Cyber on the 2nd Club v2, but yes, it is CS nonetheless. |
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5. Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 10:14 pm Post subject: |
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YuMeXsHiNjItE wrote: | JA! wrote: |
Also, I've noticed that other Bemani artists who would do DDR would either start on a CS (1), do a collaboration (2), or both (3).
Case 1: Sota started his DDR career on 5th Mix CS with Look to the Sky. Akira Yamaoka had You're not Here and Your Rain (Rage Mix).
Case 2: Kakumei, as everybody knows, is a collaboration with dj. TAKA & Naoki.
Case 3: Tomosuke collaborate with U1 for 2 Disney mix songs and nothing else.
Yes, I'm well aware that Thomas Howard Lichtenstein, while primarily a vocalist on GFdm, made La Senorita and Silent Hill back in 3rd Mix.
Because of this, the franchise is swamped with licenses and crossovers.
Would someone please explain to me why this is the case on DDR, but not on other Bemani franchises? |
Akira Yamaoka did "i feel..." for MAX2 AC. I don't believe that was after You're Not Here or Your Rain
dj.TAKA's first song was not a collaboration with Naoki. His first song on the series is probably the original Gradiusic Cyber on the 2nd Club v2, but yes, it is CS nonetheless. | I feel... and Gradiusic Cyber were made for IIDX, not DDR. _________________
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6. Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 8:53 am Post subject: |
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Arctic Wolves wrote: | True, it is too bad that many Bemani artists don't make songs for DDR, though I think we're starting to see a slight increase in the number of artists making songs for DDR. It's still almost completely NAOKI, U1, and SySF., with jun stepping up and making a considerable appearance on SuperNOVA... |
No wonder DDR's being swamped with crossovers the most, compared to originals and licenses.
Quote: | ...but I'm glad to see that Togo project has Koibito in DDR Universe and that kobo has made both Trim and MOONSTER for DDR SuperNOVA CS. Of all the artists to suddenly compose for DDR, I certainly wasn't expecting either kobo or Togo project! It was also awesome to see AKIRA YAMAOKA come up with INSIDE YOUR HEART for Extreme 2, he's been pretty good for the past three mixes, with You're Not Here and Your Rain (Rage Mix) for Extreme, and also the DDR version of iFUTURELIST. |
Fixed. But, those songs *did not* debut in a DDR AC, which 99% of Naoki's DDR songs are. They're more in tune with 2MB songs, along with Midnite Blaze and Look to the Sky, which are CS debuts.
Quote: | But I also imagine that this is why DDR relies so heavily, far too heavily in my opinion, on crossovers from other Bemani. Licenses, although scarce in other Bemani, also help flesh out DDR songlists, but I also think the licensed songs are part of the core of DDR and should remain regardless. |
No wonder it is widely believed that smile .dk is one of the founding artists of DDR. Also, I F'N miss E-Rotic!
Quote: | I also think to help combat this problem, Konami has been commissioning artists to create new music for them; see nc, the numerous outside Konami remixes of songs on this years V-RAREs. |
Is ChiyoTia one of them? I just saw her official website. Also, I just hope that other underused Bemani artists like Pink Capsule and Ai Suzuki would make DDR songs that would debut straight to arcades, NOT CS, which has been happening for years.
On second thought, I just hope that Ai Suzuki would move from GFdm to DDR altogether. _________________
BeForU was easily the heart and soul of DDR, until someone in Konami thought that it's a threat to the current structure (read: Konami's blatant overfunding of IIDX/pop'n).
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7. Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 9:04 am Post subject: |
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Maybe ChiyoTia is one of the vocalists they use. _________________
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8. Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 9:18 am Post subject: |
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RBCF retunes wrote: | Maybe ChiyoTia is one of the vocalists they use. |
So, she's not a commissionee that Konami, the commissioner, entrusted to compose brand-new AC DDR songs?
Also, why is it that Shoichiro Hirata (Sho-T, Shawn the Horny Master) makes CS DDR songs only? _________________
BeForU was easily the heart and soul of DDR, until someone in Konami thought that it's a threat to the current structure (read: Konami's blatant overfunding of IIDX/pop'n). |
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9. Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 1:57 pm Post subject: |
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Because they're mostly crossovers from other Bemani. |
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10. Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 2:07 pm Post subject: |
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RBCF retunes wrote: | YuMeXsHiNjItE wrote: | JA! wrote: |
Also, I've noticed that other Bemani artists who would do DDR would either start on a CS (1), do a collaboration (2), or both (3).
Case 1: Sota started his DDR career on 5th Mix CS with Look to the Sky. Akira Yamaoka had You're not Here and Your Rain (Rage Mix).
Case 2: Kakumei, as everybody knows, is a collaboration with dj. TAKA & Naoki.
Case 3: Tomosuke collaborate with U1 for 2 Disney mix songs and nothing else.
Yes, I'm well aware that Thomas Howard Lichtenstein, while primarily a vocalist on GFdm, made La Senorita and Silent Hill back in 3rd Mix.
Because of this, the franchise is swamped with licenses and crossovers.
Would someone please explain to me why this is the case on DDR, but not on other Bemani franchises? |
Akira Yamaoka did "i feel..." for MAX2 AC. I don't believe that was after You're Not Here or Your Rain
dj.TAKA's first song was not a collaboration with Naoki. His first song on the series is probably the original Gradiusic Cyber on the 2nd Club v2, but yes, it is CS nonetheless. | I feel... and Gradiusic Cyber were made for IIDX, not DDR. |
I thought he was talking about the first entries into DDR. CS or no, weren't those the first entries (on DDR) by these artists? |
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11. Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 3:20 pm Post subject: |
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YuMeXsHiNjItE wrote: | RBCF retunes wrote: | YuMeXsHiNjItE wrote: | JA! wrote: |
Also, I've noticed that other Bemani artists who would do DDR would either start on a CS (1), do a collaboration (2), or both (3).
Case 1: Sota started his DDR career on 5th Mix CS with Look to the Sky. Akira Yamaoka had You're not Here and Your Rain (Rage Mix).
Case 2: Kakumei, as everybody knows, is a collaboration with dj. TAKA & Naoki.
Case 3: Tomosuke collaborate with U1 for 2 Disney mix songs and nothing else.
Yes, I'm well aware that Thomas Howard Lichtenstein, while primarily a vocalist on GFdm, made La Senorita and Silent Hill back in 3rd Mix.
Because of this, the franchise is swamped with licenses and crossovers.
Would someone please explain to me why this is the case on DDR, but not on other Bemani franchises? |
Akira Yamaoka did "i feel..." for MAX2 AC. I don't believe that was after You're Not Here or Your Rain
dj.TAKA's first song was not a collaboration with Naoki. His first song on the series is probably the original Gradiusic Cyber on the 2nd Club v2, but yes, it is CS nonetheless. | I feel... and Gradiusic Cyber were made for IIDX, not DDR. |
I thought he was talking about the first entries into DDR. CS or no, weren't those the first entries (on DDR) by these artists? | Yes. _________________
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12. Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 3:28 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, for In The Groove, we could submit our own music.
I don't know if we can do that anymore with Konami owning it. _________________
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13. Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 7:01 pm Post subject: |
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JA! wrote: | Fixed. But, those songs *did not* debut in a DDR AC, which 99% of Naoki's DDR songs are. They're more in tune with 2MB songs, along with Midnite Blaze and Look to the Sky, which are CS debuts. |
AC debut or not, I'm still happy to see such artists making songs for any DDR period. And, really, the DDR CS scene is where it's at right now; I still don't think SuperNOVA AC is generating as much broad consumer interest as the CS versions currently are.
ChiyoTia is a Japanese vocalist who, I imagine under some arrangement, collaborated with Shoichiro Hirata to create Fly away. She makes her own songs independently as well. I wouldn't consider this a commission as much as it is a collaboration. Much in the same way that Sota got Donna Burke to sing Star Gate Heaven; she's still an independant artist who has her own releases/gigs/jobs outside of the world of Bemani. _________________
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