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[Marq(uistadorous)]

[Joel Stud?!]

To the people who complain about DDR/ITG's stepcharts:

DDR and ITG are designed in two different ways. DDR is designed as a "dance simulator" and as such attempts to convey the feel of dancing more so than ITG. Though the harder level songs do stray from this at times, the main ideas still apply, and it really is only the hardest nines and tens that stray from this. In short- Konami doesn't make games for the challenge. They make games for the people who enjoy them. The main reason that higher level songs exist is so that people who have become bored with lower level songs have something to do. These songs should be enough to satisfy anyone who isn't looking solely for challenge. I'll admit some songs do feel offbeat, but i've yet to eperience a song that is offsync, and very few are as simple and boring as people make them out to be.

ITG on the other hand is a game designed for challenge. The charts are geared towards progressing into higher difficulties even from novie. The charts are sometimes fun, but personally I think this is almost more of an accident then anything. Sure there are a handful of amazing charts like Oasis and some fun gems like Land of the Rising Sun, but a lot of songs have very little variance and fail to simulate dancing. They do, however, accomplish one thing; presenting a challenge. However, for those who enjoy the fun dacne-like aspect of DDR, 16th streams are not fun. I can do the slower ones. Maybe I haven't passed the harder elevens, but I don't have fun on the easier ones. I do feel a sense of pride from beating them, but I would much perfer the contentment I get from playing Tsugaru-- even if it is for the thousandth time. Challenge is good, but a lot of people's problems are with such notorious charts as The Beginning, Charlene, or Tell which sacrifice the fun aspect for the challenge.

Is one or the other better? No. Does this mean Konami should try and accomdate to both? In a perfect world. But if they fear that they can't maintain a balance, then I'd much perfer they stick with the current form of DDR, as would most of their fans, as opposed to sacrifice it for a hardcore niche of its fanbase.

[Auspher]

That's another point for A Beautiful Collision.
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[triad.spacefight]

You people do realize there are 13 levels of difficulty in ITG right?

And that you can play on a 7 or 8 and still have fun, right?

Honestly, I think that most of the people who write ITG off as being "overly difficult" and "not fun" are the people who can pass 10's on DDR but have trouble with some of the 9's in ITG. They can't consider themselves top-tier if they can't score well on the expert charts like they could on DDR.

For example, I personally have passed every song on DDR sans PSMO. I haven't passed a single 12 on ITG, and only one 11 (Charlene). I think hell will freeze over before I pass a 13 or even most of the 11's. But I still think that the 7-9 range of ITG is more consistant on fun factor and challenge than DDR. The issue is that the majority of DDR players who "hate" ITG are not disliking it because it's a "knockoff", but because they are having trouble adjusting to a different style of stepchart design.

That and mines/hands are tricky the first time you see them, so you grow to dislike them unless you keep trying and adjust to them. But the unfortunate thing is that most people get pissed about missing an arrow or stepping on a mine that they don't want to play it again.

There was a post a year or so ago from Uiru in which he went on a tirade against ITG. Called it a knockoff, a cheap ripoff with steps only a select few could actually enjoy, among other things. Pretty much an open flamebait. The reason I bring this up, is that later he admitted to only playing one song, twice.

Hardcore Of The North Expert.

You can't base an opinion off of that chart alone. Yet that trend seems to be forming in a large amount of DDR players. If everyone played ITG for an hour of varying difficulty levels and songs(esp ITG2 on a Dedicab), I am of the belief that a majority of the fanboy posts would stop. Same goes for SuperNOVA, although I have played that and honestly just don't like it at all. Still enjoy a good Extreme round though.

The point is that in the end, it's a game. Both games are worth more than a glance before you can truely enjoy either one. And the same holds true before forming feelings of utter hatred for them as well.

Done with this thread until Konami makes a formal statement of ITG's status. Which sadly, may never come.
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[AA Bob]

[Joel Stud?!]

I can consistently 88%ish Charlene... I still don't have fun with it. In fact I dread playing it completely and only play it because at one point I decided I wanted to try and 90% or above every 11 in ITG. Some charts are fun. I still like Oasis Expert, but its still a completely different type of stepchart than anything in DDR, and I perfer DDR's type of steps for the most part. If I played ITG long enough and hard enough I could pass 12's and possibly 13's, so don't tell me that the reason I don't like ITG is because I can't pass the songs. I could. However I don't have enough fun with it to bother because of songs like The Beginning and even mediocre charts like Xuxa Expert.

DDR on the other hand is more for just fun. You feel the music in DDR and "dance" to it. There are very few songs, even lower difficulty, on ITG that I feel I can "dance" to. That's just because its a different type of game... designed for challenge above and beyond all else I'm not saying that's wrong, I'm just saying most of DDR's fanbase doesn't enjoy that type of stepchart and as such Konami doesn't need to try and accomadate to that. If Konami could offer better 10s and some quality 11s and up I'd be fine with it. But if they just offer loads of crap I'd perfer they not even try.

[Spork]

And that is your opinion, you are entitled to it.

People, this thread wasn't about arguing which game is better. It's about how Konami won the rights to ITG, and that is all. Being blatant fanboys for either game isn't going to help matters any, all it will do is create more and more drama which in time will lead to bigger gaps between the groups.
People are entitled to their opinion, however, I feel they don't have the right to attempt to force others to think the same way as them.

Just think about that, ok?
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[AA Bob]

[skillz187]

thats not an entirely fair arguement since it goes both ways. i know people at my old arcade who could past most 11's in itg, and get a good chunk into pandemonium expert, but were horrible pa'ers in ddr, couldn't pass ten footers, and when it came to songs with lots of twist's and turns, would either get low scores or fail.

but this is all beside the point, since like every other person says, none of this has to do with the topic at hand, which is to say whether itg will continue. if this was a year ago, i would want them to continue itg, but at this point, i dont care enough about either game to get worked about it. i used to be a hardcore player, now i play maybe two 3 song sets a week for excersise purposes.
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[cfusionpm]

the challange in itg is a lot less than people would like to believe. the entire game is full of bits and pieces to make it easier. the challange comes solely and only from the physical aspect of hitting the arrows. reading them is no problem with the default skin (every type of note has its own color; even freeze arrows), the backgrounds are practically black, there is no distracting announcer or cheering/booing audience, the note are bigger, flat-edged, and appear on screen earlier (no bottom bar), speed mods with mini make it so you can have fast speed separation in the arrows, but still see the chart ahead, you dont have to come close to actually jumping on jumps, you dont have to use your hands on hands, freezes can be let off and back on with ease, and the game even outright tells you whether you are early or late! physical stamina aside, thats hardly a challange to me. the focus on what is "challanging" is entirely dependant on how fast you can move your feet.
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[TheManator]

[Synaesthesia]

[cfusionpm]

i'm just saying theres more to challange than foot speed. i believe it was wolfman jake who made the same arguement in the last thread. people who scoff at ddr being to incredibly easy to waste their time on maybe forget that there are other aspects to something being difficult or easy beyond how fast you can hit the arrows. as i named, itg has MANY, MANY advantageous attributes that make playing the game easier. so the challange just happens to lie elsewhere; like reading and interpreting, especially with the bright chaotic backgrounds. im not trying to start something, but these points just seem to be vastly ignored; and the focus is almost always entirely on stepcharts and their respective difficulty.
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[AA Bob]

[triad.spacefight]

Hey guys.

I played 4 sets of Medium Doubles just a few minutes ago and had a blast.

Just thought I would share. Emerzian did a hell of a job making FUN charts.
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[cfusionpm]