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Roxor lawsuit settled, Konami inherits ITG franchise
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440. PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 12:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I Palindrome I wrote:
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Again, stops, freezes, hands, mines, and the such are not really 'innovations' - they may change the gameplay a bit, but not really new.


For what it's worth, I think that hands and mines allowed step designers to make fairly difficult stepcharts - that is, the ones you see in the 10 to 11 range on ITG - without having to resort to 300 BPM death runs. Twilight and One False Move are good examples of a tough song that's not just 900 arrows sneezed all over the place.


So you're telling me having harder songs is an innovation?

Edit: lol@sneeze
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441. PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 1:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Define hard. Mines and hands are not "hard" in and of themselves. It is just awkward to those who have never played with them before. It's one more skill to add in playing the game, and I've found that the majority of the people doggy about them are the ones who have trouble making that transition.

And yes, mines and hands are innovation. No one did them before ITG did in a commercial 4-panel dance game you find in arcades everywhere.

Oh, and Manator, this is why no one likes you in OKC.

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He's just saying that because he finally gets to play a (shitty cabinet too) 4th Mix machine...


You don't even know what the fuck you are talking about. 4th Mix got sold to a childrens hospital, and I've played on every mix in the arcade sans 2nd. Just because you say you know everything about the "scene" on the internet does not make you an expert. GTFO.
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442. PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 2:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You guys need to be more positive.

I highly doubt, Konami will make ITG extinct.
Now they have 2 dance games to manage, so I wonder what next.

There's nothing we can do about it other than boycott Konami. biggrin.gif
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443. PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 3:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Boycott Konami?
Are you kidding?
With such good series as Metal Gear, Silent Hill, GRADIUS, are you f'n crazy?

Seriously though, if Konami wanted to, they could live on ITG or run it In the Ground.

Whichever. They're choice.

And Soxor, the reason why no one likes me is because I won't conform. kthanx. No more flames. Flame me in PM, thanks.
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444. PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 3:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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And Soxor, the reason why no one likes me is because I won't conform. kthanx. No more flames. Flame me in PM, thanks.


Being an outlandish dickhead has nothing to do with conformity.

And I like how you even attempted to post a rebuttal to my inital reason for posting.

Side Note: In The Ground is not clever. It's a pathetic attempt to stir up more fanboy drama. Shut the fuck up already.
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445. PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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No more flames. Flame me in PM, thanks.


Discussion is what this thread was intended for. Let's keep it that way.
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446. PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 3:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's right, we should be transmitters of information like coaxial cable from a VCR, not bash each other like primates thowing rocks. lololololooolooooo, seriously though
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447. PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 3:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kilroy(ZTC) wrote:
That's right, we should be transmitters of information like coaxial cable from a VCR, not bash each other like primates thowing rocks. lololololooolooooo, seriously though


Who was bashing? I was only stating facts. E15.gif
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448. PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know it was stated a while back that Konami is a company and shouldn't just let another company copy their work. Koinami is also a company of humans, and humans can occasionally be caring people. Let's compare for a moment.

Konami successful franchises:
Suidoken
Castlevania
DDR
Metal Gear Solid
many other music games.

(former) Roxor successful franchises:
ITG

Konami is making a shitload of money because they have three huge franchises (MGS, CV, and DDR) and several other franchises that are still respectable. Roxor has (had) ITG, and it is mainly for the hardcore crowd. Konami makes 100 times more than Roxor, and suing them hardly saves them any money. Is it worth it for Konami to (most likely) end a great series and piss off a whole lot of people? I know Roxor copied Konami, but a lot of humans do something called "letting it slide." Why couldn't Konami do this? They should be helping Roxor with their series as a newcomer to the video game market, not suing their asses and stealing one of their franchises that, formerly, basically kept them alive. Since Roxor no longer has ITG, they have to depend on their new series, Tux Racer. If this is a flop, I bet Roxor is done. So basically, if this happens, Konami can be blamed for the ending of Roxor. If you are making a huge amount of money, and you potentially put another company out of business, then you, my friend, are a bitch. I hope youre happy with yourself, Konami.
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449. PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 4:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Max.(period) wrote:
Who was bashing? I was only stating facts. E15.gif


Either way, they weren't especially applicable to the thread, or well written.
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450. PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 4:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kilroy(ZTC) wrote:
Max.(period) wrote:
Who was bashing? I was only stating facts. E15.gif


Either way, they weren't especially applicable to the thread, or well written.


How about applying something yourself instead of trying to continue a pointless debate?


Anyway, does anyone have confirmation on whether or not ITG3 is still going to be released? Being this far into completing the game, it would be disappointing if Konami refused to sell it..They should let Roxor have one last contribution to the dance gaming world.
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451. PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 5:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Since Roxor no longer has ITG, they have to depend on their new series, Tux Racer. If this is a flop, I bet Roxor is done.

New? I first saw Tux Racer in 2004 at Temple, and my fellow research participants seemed to love it.
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452. PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

why should konami help a company that told arcades in the groove was a new DDR game and turned konamis own DDR cabinets into ITG cabs?

exactly. it's like nintendo helping out microsoft on the new xbox exclusive. It's just stupid and will lose them money. Sure, i think konamis suings got a bit outta hand, but helping out a company that could end up hurting your profits is just stupid.
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453. PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 6:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

J-POP_FOR_LIFE wrote:

exactly. it's like nintendo helping out microsoft on the new xbox exclusive. It's just stupid and will lose them money. Sure, i think konamis suings got a bit outta hand, but helping out a company that could end up hurting your profits is just stupid.

Ok, maybe they shouldn't help them with it, but did they really need to get rid of it when they are making tons of money as it is? Maybe if ITG had a firm anchor in the ground, then maybe obtaining it would have been harder for Konami...
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Konami is making a shitload of money because they have three huge franchises (MGS, CV, and DDR) and several other franchises that are still respectable. Roxor has (had) ITG, and it is mainly for the hardcore crowd. Konami makes 100 times more than Roxor, and suing them hardly saves them any money. Is it worth it for Konami to (most likely) end a great series and piss off a whole lot of people? I know Roxor copied Konami, but a lot of humans do something called "letting it slide." Why couldn't Konami do this? They should be helping Roxor with their series as a newcomer to the video game market, not suing their asses and stealing one of their franchises that, formerly, basically kept them alive. Since Roxor no longer has ITG, they have to depend on their new series, Tux Racer. If this is a flop, I bet Roxor is done. So basically, if this happens, Konami can be blamed for the ending of Roxor. If you are making a huge amount of money, and you potentially put another company out of business, then you, my friend, are a bitch. I hope youre happy with yourself, Konami.


I see you are not familiar with Japanese business practices.

They are quite ruthless and simply do not care about the consumer/fanbase. Traditionally, any Japanese company would only be interested in crushing/dissolving their competition.

Lets hope this is not the case with Roxor.
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J-POP_FOR_LIFE wrote:
why should konami help a company that told arcades in the groove was a new DDR game


Give a source for this or shut up.
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[DoD] OmegaSox wrote:
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J-pop titles


What's so bad about J-pop?
It's annoying as fuck, all they sing about is a bunch of teenage drama bullcrap that no one cares about, the vocals are so high pitched even the male vocalists sound like 12 year-old girls, and if you're playing one of the stupidest-looking games in the world and some people hear that shit, I can easily understand why they would make fun of you.

Assuming you don't live in Japan, that is, since everything else in Japan is a LOT weirder than DDR.


Thank you. I agree, although most wapanese fanboys here won't.

I dont love Jpop, but I just dont see anything really wrong with it. 0_o
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Max.(period) wrote:
How about applying something yourself instead of trying to continue a pointless debate?


I know I was off subject too, and I wasn't trying to continue the "debate". Just stating facts. E15.gif
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Well, I'm all for a boycott personally. Although I won't be too obsessive.

Now if you wanna see obsessive...ask Z Matrix about how he canceled 3 PS3 preorders because the only game he really wanted was MGS4.
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El Band Geek wrote:
Well, I'm all for a boycott personally. Although I won't be too obsessive.


like konami would really give a rat's ass anyway. for every person here (who probably doesnt buy american ddr games anyway), there are 10, or 20, or 100 general public people who DO. you will not hurt them in the least bit.
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