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Asymptote
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360.  Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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^ your rant was filled with plenty of fanboy-ish and extermely generalized comments of your own regarding the DDR fanbase, such as...
"oh, and the people who hate itg, cuz butterfly isn't on it (hah). sorry the charts are hard. maybe the charts arn't hard, but the fact that maybe you suck is the reason you hate itg? even locally, all the ddr hardcore fanboys can't pass anything on itg. all they do, is play the same songs on iidx and ddr all day long and refuse to embrace anything new."
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"I find most who hate itg, are "I LOVE IIDX! I LOVE THE FACT EVERY SONG IN EVERY MIX IS THE SAME AS THE LAST, EXCEPT 2 NEW SONGS!"
so don't be such a hypocrite.
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Nicotine
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| 361. Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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ever heard of sarcasm?
i was doing what all DDR fanboys do.. dont like it do ya? yeah well, it's the same BULL that everyone on here has been spewing.
if you read the WHOLE rant, you'd understand it was more then just that.
ddr+itg=win!
fanboys=losar!
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XOR-SYS
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| 362. Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 7:44 pm Post subject: |
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For those of you who are flipping Konami the bird, remember that the purchase of ITG from Roxor was a settlement, meaning Roxor agreed to hand over ITG instead of continuing the trial.
Therefore, if you're going to lash out at Konami for buying, you should also rightfully lash out at Roxor for selling. Either that, or shut up.
Also, if Konami were really heartless bastards, they wouldn't have settled with the intellectual property rights to ITG, but instead gone forth and driven Roxor completely out of business so that they could never publish anything again. I'll bet they could care less if Roxor came out with another dance game, so long as they built their own hardware, but of course you're too busy speculating the demise of ITG to be at all optimistic.
Don't get me wrong, I'm a fan of ITG and all of Roxor's efforts, but even if we don't ever see another ITG game, there's always going to be somewhere else to turn for that sort of thing. I'm just saying, don't damn Konami for doing what was, considering the circumstances, pretty reasonable.
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Marq(uistadorous)
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| 363. Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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| XOR-SYS wrote: | | For those of you who are flipping Konami the bird, ... |
lol! that was very funny for some reason...
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Asymptote
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| 364. Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Nicotine wrote: | ever heard of sarcasm?
i was doing what all DDR fanboys do.. dont like it do ya? yeah well, it's the same BULL that everyone on here has been spewing.
if you read the WHOLE rant, you'd understand it was more then just that.
ddr+itg=win!
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well since you didn't seem to include similar fanboy-styled comments from the ITG crowd in your criticisms, (ex: "ddr is so gay cause its too easy and only j-pop", says someone who would most likely proceed to get 40 greats on Rhythm and Police), which I see quite a bit more than retarded DDR-Fanboy comments (which, for the record, I have NEVER seen any type of DDR-Fanboy like the one you have described), that section of your rant appeared to be very one-sided and anti-DDR fan. I know you said you liked both, but like I said, your perceptions of the fans appeared very one sided, and is only hurt by your rediculous overexaggeration.
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Marq(uistadorous)
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| 365. Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Asymptote wrote: | | (ex: "ddr is so gay cause its too easy and only j-pop", says someone who would most likely proceed to get 40 greats on Rhythm and Police), |
40 greats isn't THAT bad on RP... Well, nevermind. I got like 7 greats on it, and I'm not too good at PA...
But anyways, I think that ITG still might have a future. I think the same group of people (K.W., Foy, ect. ) could still work on ITG, and it might not even change. Konami might simply keep ITG going and just put there name in instead of Roxor's. They realize that it can make them alot of money, because the fans just keep growing. Seriously, mabey they won't even use people from the Konami staff, and just keep the former ITG designers working on it, and mabey, since Konami doesnt' seem as lazy as roxor when it comes to realesing games, ITG will even start to thrive more  . This is just my opinion, and I'm willing to be proven wrong.
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| 366. Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 8:10 pm Post subject: |
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| ghosx wrote: | | What happens to all the ITG machines already in arcades? Do they get recalled and destroyed by some evil guy from Konami/? |
Nothing, I hope. 
I don't really have much to say since the sensible people on this thread pretty much saved me the trouble. |
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Syncopation
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| 368. Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 11:40 pm Post subject: |
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ABSOLUTELY NOTHING even turned up for Urban Dance Rising
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The full title of the game is Flow Urban Dance Uprising. It's an Ubisoft game for the PS2 console, featuring four-arrow dance play similar to DDR, with the addition of power moves similar to Guitar Hero's Star Power (changes the arrow colors and increases the score for hitting the arrows), and with the majority of the music being rap/hip hop.
There's a review thread about this game here:
http://www.ddrfreak.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=115234&sid=b39b73be7d4b150af67ecb29f4c52d4d |
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cfusionpm
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| 369. Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 12:28 am Post subject: |
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| Syncopation wrote: | | Quote: |
ABSOLUTELY NOTHING even turned up for Urban Dance Rising
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The full title of the game is Flow Urban Dance Uprising. It's an Ubisoft game for the PS2 console, featuring four-arrow dance play similar to DDR, with the addition of power moves similar to Guitar Hero's Star Power (changes the arrow colors and increases the score for hitting the arrows), and with the majority of the music being rap/hip hop.
There's a review thread about this game here:
http://www.ddrfreak.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=115234&sid=b39b73be7d4b150af67ecb29f4c52d4d |
wow. i'd never even heard of that game, much less seen it for sale anywhere ever.
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| 370. Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 1:07 am Post subject: |
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| ghosx wrote: | | What happens to all the ITG machines already in arcades? Do they get recalled and destroyed by some evil guy from Konami/? |
Likely nothing, and certainly not with any ITG2 dedicabs. The complaint had nothing to do with the dedicabs; it was the gutting of Konami cabinets to install ITG that was the main issue. And I sincerely doubt anyone's going to do anything about all the boxor'd cabinets out there since it's far too much effort for no payoff; whatever damage that would be done was done when the cabinet was converted.
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| 371. Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 7:09 am Post subject: |
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| XOR-SYS wrote: | For those of you who are flipping Konami the bird, remember that the purchase of ITG from Roxor was a settlement, meaning Roxor agreed to hand over ITG instead of continuing the trial.
Therefore, if you're going to lash out at Konami for buying, you should also rightfully lash out at Roxor for selling. Either that, or shut up.
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I doubt that's how it went down.
Roxor made a settlement because they knew their chances of winning the lawsuit was slim. All you DDR fanboys that are happy right now are really stupid. You'd all still be playing Extreme if it weren't for ITG. I hope you don't expect anymore arcade games, because now that they've proved that they are still profitting from their patent, they don't need to make anymore. You might get one new game, but I doubt even that will happen. |
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Wakka Lakka
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| 372. Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 7:32 am Post subject: |
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| ^ He's right. They won't make arcade games- they're money losers. I might actually care if I had ever seen any of these machines. As it stands I've only played EX on a worn-out cab so no loss for me. |
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Cutriss
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| 373. Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 9:25 am Post subject: |
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| Kilroy(ZTC) wrote: | | Cutriss wrote: | | Just...stop right there. I don't think I even need to state why. |
You don't need to, but if you want me to be left with anything but half decent guesses at what you mean you should make a statement. Irony, inductive logic would be used to narrow down my guesses. My best guess is that you are simply an impatient person who considers any attempt to analyze or criticize anything to be a mark of impetousness. In laymens terms, I think you imagine me to be doing nothing more than wasting your time. |
That's not irony, it's following in line with past trends.
I'm not terribly impatient, but there's just something about the way you and Kiba carry yourselves when you start in on the whole forensic debate thing that just gets under the skin of a *lot* of people, especially when you freely state that most people on DDR Freak aren't bright enough to even follow your logic.
I've taken philosophy classes and I could go dig out my books if I cared enough to go toe-to-toe with you on inductive reasoning, but frankly, I don't, because nobody likes a pedant.
And so yes, while you might label me a layperson, you are wasting my time with it.
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noisuf0
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| 374. Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 9:27 am Post subject: |
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i guess all the 4-panel players can hope for is a new good ddr. because itg is done for.
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| 375. Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 10:04 am Post subject: |
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| Cutriss wrote: | | That's not irony, it's following in line with past trends. |
It's ironic because you refused to accept the legitimacy of Orions guess about the state of ITG, but EXPECT me to guess about the meaning behind your words.
| Quote: | | I'm not terribly impatient, but there's just something about the way you and Kiba carry yourselves when you start in on the whole forensic debate thing that just gets under the skin of a *lot* of people, |
and? With that something undefined, there's not much I can do anyways.
| Quote: | | especially when you freely state that most people on DDR Freak aren't bright enough to even follow your logic. |
When did I say this? Not saying I didn't, but I don't remember doing so. Why would this be problem if it was true anyways?
| Quote: | | I've taken philosophy classes and I could go dig out my books if I cared enough to go toe-to-toe with you on inductive reasoning, but frankly, I don't, because nobody likes a pedant. |
lol. I guess it makes more sense for people to endlessly quibble while misusing terms and having no common ground whatsoever for understanding. I also really doubt using a dictionary implies I'm pedantic. , but I guess technically it is a book. It's not like I'm taking statements of yours and writing them ~(âx)(XLY)
x=people L=likes y=pendant
Then putting them in arragement and doing derivation.
| Quote: | | And so yes, while you might label me a layperson, you are wasting my time with it. |
Then don't respond to me. You're wasting your own time, I'm certainly not responsible for your actions. |
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| 376. Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 11:16 am Post subject: |
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| Nicotine wrote: | ok.
you know what sucks.
fanboys on both sides of the fence. you guys are FUK1N morons.
you know what's better then ddr OR itg? having both at your disposeal.
I love going to marvel or midway (in niagara falls), play a whole crapload of ddr, then play a whole crapload of itg2.
it's great.
I like ddr, cuz it's what i "grew up" on (per say).
I like itg, because after YEARS of playing extreme with NO NEW OFFERINGS from konami, WHO DIDN'T CARE ABOUT NORTH AMERICA it got BORING. (dont even say "LOL! WE GOT EXTREME IN ARCADES!!"). cuz they dont care. the last usa mix was YEARS AND YEARS ago. EXTREME WAS NEVER MEANT TO SEE NORTH AMERICA. KONAMI DOESN'T CARE ABOUT YOU.
ITG brought fresh songs, charts, and idea's to NORTH AMERICA, after YEARS of nothing.
I find most who hate itg, are "I LOVE IIDX! I LOVE THE FACT EVERY SONG IN EVERY MIX IS THE SAME AS THE LAST, EXCEPT 2 NEW SONGS!"
oh wait, i forgot the LOL in there...so, use your imagination, throw in a few LOL's and it sums up most posts on this board.
oh, and the people who hate itg, cuz butterfly isn't on it (hah). sorry the charts are hard. maybe the charts arn't hard, but the fact that maybe you suck is the reason you hate itg? even locally, all the ddr hardcore fanboys can't pass anything on itg. all they do, is play the same songs on iidx and ddr all day long and refuse to embrace anything new.
like......i grew up on konami. contra 1, blades of steel, and the list goes on.
but, when it's obvious a company doesnt give a sh!t, what else are you to do?
ITG was great, cuz it showed KONAMI that there was a real market here. enuff so, that they felt threatened.
and i think it's ITG we have to thank for supernova...... remember your first thought when you heard of supernova? "HOLY CRAP!"....yeah..... the feeling of being abandoned has all but been forgotten by most it seems.
I love konami. but it's obvious that they don't care untill only recently.
If konami allowed roxor to make itg3/4/5, but just took a percentage, that would be amazing.
cuz, im not gonna choose one over the other. NO ONE SHOULD.
and, just because you like one more then the other, doesnt mean the other sucks. it exists, because people have different tastes. personally, I like both. they BOTH have their good points and bad points.
in closing of my rant (sorry if it seems long....), RESPECT each others choices and tastes. just because you like ddr more, or itg more, doesn't make the other game any less fun for others.
it's not a god damn sports team. you guys act like it is......
edit: as for the "konami may not wanna manage 2 dancing games" mentality..... why not?... why not allow roxor to roll with it, take a percentage and not have to do any work for that percentage? sounds like win win to me.
then again, PEOPLE NEED TO STOP SPECULATING. 12 yr olds on a ddr forum wont change ANYTHING that has happened. go play some ddr AND itg, wait, and enjoy what you already have.
people are ungrateful. |
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Cutriss
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| 377. Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 12:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Kilroy(ZTC) wrote: | | Cutriss wrote: | | That's not irony, it's following in line with past trends. |
It's ironic because you refused to accept the legitimacy of Orions guess about the state of ITG, but EXPECT me to guess about the meaning behind your words. |
It's not a "guess" when you claim it's completely illogical for anything else to occur and that all the evidence (of which there is a very small amount) points to your conclusion. He's basically stating it as fact, and that's what I do not legitimize. Also, you're comparing two unrelated things. I stated that it's "in line with past trends" because this whole nitpick-debate thing is something that is starting to become depressingly prevalent in "certain sections" of the boards. The very moment I see someone using the words "inductive reasoning" on DDR Freak, I heave a heavy sigh as I know the poster has already lost the argument, no matter how much they think they've won. | Kilroy(ZTC) wrote: | | Then don't respond to me. You're wasting your own time, I'm certainly not responsible for your actions. |
Amusing, sure, but you know that I have to read a lot of different things around here just so that I know what's going on and can call in appropriate action when someone steps out of line. So, by pumping up your post with all sorts of language that make it hard for good ol' laymen like myself hard to parse, you are indeed wasting my time.
This is the part where you say "Well, I'm certainly not going to dumb down my posts for your sake" or somesuch, but I just don't care. I mean, if you can't state things neatly and cleanly and make it relevant to the audience (IE - the other members of DDR Freak), then you're not on message.
Pedant (n) - 1. One who pays undue attention to book learning and formal rules.
Having a vocabulary does not make you a pedant. Having to go to charmap to pull up appropriate Unicode characters for â, â, and â´ to use in a post on a Internet forum pertaining to a video game simulation of bad dancing does.
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Kilroy(ZTC)
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| 379. Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 1:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Cutriss wrote: | | It's not a "guess" when you claim it's completely illogical for anything else to occur and that all the evidence (of which there is a very small amount) points to your conclusion. |
He didn't make that claim, he simply claimed his posts were both valid and better thought out than those in opposition to him. | Quote: | | He's basically stating it as fact, and that's what I do not legitimize. |
Whatever. | Quote: | | Also, you're comparing two unrelated things. |
Yes, nothing's quite as unrelated as two things with an expressed relationship. Honestly, it doesn't matter if I'm comparing Hitler to Oranges if I'm only comparing in terms of both being biological material, but you seem to think things have to have near identical properties in order to be compared. Have fun comparing A to A, good luck never learning anything. | Quote: | | I stated that it's "in line with past trends" because this whole nitpick-debate thing is something that is starting to become depressingly prevalent in "certain sections" of the boards. |
I don't care. This is purely your own shallow interpretation of an obvious occurence. | Quote: | | The very moment I see someone using the words "inductive reasoning" on DDR Freak, I heave a heavy sigh as I know the poster has already lost the argument, no matter how much they think they've won. |
What's your reasoning? Big words=t3h stoopid? I didn't realize we were having an argument anyways, but I imagine you have a different definition of win and lose than I do. | Quote: | | So, by pumping up your post with all sorts of language that make it hard for good ol' laymen like myself hard to parse, you are indeed wasting my time. |
Are you an idiot? I'm writing very colloquially, and I never add vocabulary arbitrarily. Oh, but I guess "colloquial" and "arbitrary" are big, intimidating words. I'm glad I'm wasting your time, firstly because I'm not sure your time is worth anything, and secondly because it's the least I could do to someone who discards entire arguments because they're slightly annoying. | Quote: | | This is the part where you say "Well, I'm certainly not going to dumb down my posts for your sake" or somesuch |
I'd gladly attempt to write at your level of understanding if you asked, but then you say: | cutriss wrote: | | I just don't care. |
Why would I waste MY time. | Quote: | | I mean, if you can't state things neatly and cleanly and make it relevant to the audience (IE - the other members of DDR Freak), then you're not on message. |
It's entirely relevent, and I don't see how it isn't clean or neat. Maybe by "relevent to the audience" you meant "written for the audience". Of couse, now you're going to say that I'm nitpicking because I knew what you meant, but that still doesn't change the fact you suck at the english language. And you know what, that really isn't even my problem, especially given that you don't care. | Quote: | | Pedant (n) - 1. One who pays undue attention to book learning and formal rules. |
Prove it's undue. | Quote: | | Having a vocabulary does not make you a pedant. Having to go to charmap to pull up appropriate Unicode characters for â, â, and â´ to use in a post on a Internet forum pertaining to a video game simulation of bad dancing does. |
Which is why I only did so to prove that very contrast. And if it wasn't undue, then no, it wouldn't. |
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