Working to end all this crap...

[KoFFreaK]

I hope this is an idea everyone can agree on, and become something greater in time. Ever since competitive play started, there has always been a controversial issue in this game, that when debated, goes almost nowhere...only that there are more to one side than the other. Being ITG, almost everyone uses the bar, but there is always the exception, a few who prefer not to use the bar. I know that a lot of you, because of the overwhelming debates, have grown to hate the other side(Even more the non-bar players, because a lot of non-bar players simply dont care, although not always true). Why is that?

Why is it that most of these threads are started by non-bar players? After reading a couple threads, I came to the conclusion(and Im sure some of you did too) that its because non-bar players are over-shadowed by bar-player scores. People who choose not to use the bar get no credit even after all that training(no matter how fun it was in the process), that over time they have to use the bar to be noticed. I was checking groovestats, and no one can deny(not even non-bar players) that those are most impressive scores, that only with tons of practice can be achieved. But yet not all agree.

After checking that site out, I got this very simple idea, that still might change a lot of things around. Why not have a separate section with scores that's only a non-bar players scores? Something only dedicated to them, that even though the scores are going to be much lower, their skill will also be shown. There could be a "x1" section and a free mods non-bar section, shared a long with bar-player scores. Now, if this "section" does exist, and there are players on the high score, please direct me there and forget this whole thing, if not, lets do this ! Ofcourse, if this starts, there will be very few people on there taking on all the spots(i.e. pickles), but that only enlarges the challenges and expectations for everyone else to work harder and be on that high score board. It will be something different, and not only will you have a choice to be in the score board, but there will be two options, each one with a different difficulty that broadens the game. I hope this idea prevents those that dont use the bar to use it.

Now, you know that this isnt a bar non-bar debate, but something that will stop the endless disputes and give the non-bar players a little credit to what they can do. So I really want to hear what you guys think about this, and move it forward. All I want is for you guys to forget all the shit that went on before on these debates and start from scratch if possible, because this will only keep going. Thank you.

[Spork]

I believe that if there was a non-bar players section, a LOT opf people would lie and say their bar scores were no-bar.
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[KoFFreaK]

I realized that was going to be a problem, but either prove it by recording it or no deal. Might be hard for some, but not impossible...check out all the vids on youtube for example.

Here is a friend of mine doing something decent no bar
http://youtube.com/watch?v=UMsxiAanzE0
theres more on the video sticky if you want to see them. Everyone now puts their video on youtube so it can be easy to prove...no prob.

[Boochypa]

The only people who care whether or not people use the bar are people who don't use it.

No one else cares.

No one.

There's absolutely no reason not to use the bar. None.

Stop talking about it.
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Team Cheaters

[KoFFreaK]

[Spork]

I really honestly think this is all going to end badly.

The whole No bar/bar debate has been going on for ages. I myself think it's just a matter of preferance, however, many people think otherwise. IMHO, if you are going to be arguing about the semantics on how you play a game, I think you should be lurking a bit more.

It's like this guys. Arguing about using the bar is like arguing on how to hold a Playstation Controller. Some people may hold it different than others, but are they cheating? No. I didn;t think so.

The bar was put on the machine. If it wanted to be used, it will be. If It isn't, It won't.

End of discussion.

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Forgot to add that although bars were originally not installed so you can hold em (minus ITG), it still is using full advantage of what you agiven if you do use em. Like I said earlier, it depends on your prefernces
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[KoFFreaK]

[GotACoolName]

[Spork]

dude, this is ddrfreak, chances are, it will end up as a no bar/bar thread by the time it ends. However, I may be wrong.
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[KoFFreaK]

[PKMN.YnoT]

First, I want to say that I agree with Spork, that since this is ddrfreak, it will probably end up in a bar/no bar thread sooner or later. That having said though, I see KoFFreak's point.

I play with bar most of the time, whether DDR or ITG, because most of the time I want to get higher scores (and using the bar helps me do that). However, for some charts, I do find that playing no bar is more fun (just to note: more fun does not mean I score higher no bar), and for some harder charts, I find that playing no bar is more challenging. So, if I score well on one of those charts no bar, that would make me happier than getting a slightly higher score with bar.

That previous sentence brings me to another point, the point GotACoolName made about competition. Like I said, I play with bar to get higher scores, and those scores are "competitive" in the sense that they are competing with other players' scores. However, I can have fun (assuming that the final product resulting from competition is fun) by competing with myself also. If I got 10ex on a song, with bar, and then later on I play it again and get 5ex on the song, with bar, I get happy that I improved, regardless of what others got. Notice that the words "with bar" were pretty much arbitrarily added. If I get 10ex on song without bar, and then later on I improve my score without bar, I'd still be happy.

New players post their accomplishments on the Accomplishment thread about finally passing their first 10 footer with 55% or something like that. Those players' scores are not competitive when compared to many people, but it is their personal best... they are improving, and we should congratulate them for that. Likewise, no bar accomplishments are accomplishments still, regardless of whether they are competitive or not.

Just for reminder, I'm not saying that there should be separate threads for bar/no bar, because I do not think that will work. I just want to say that I think KoFFreak's points are valid, but his idea won't work.
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My DDRecall
My Groovestats

[Hands R' Us]

I agree with the Bar/No Bar concept for the theme. This video, however, proves that anything is possible with no bar:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=HsqNQUTikg8&mode=related&search=
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ITG home version expert difficulty progress report: All songs beaten except Pandemonium

[KoFFreaK]

Thanks, both of you, but why wouldnt it work? Wouldnt it be cool to open up the high scores and having and extra high score option, that when you open it up, it says "submitt % score and video here"? Or just watch them just like you watch the other section's high score? It wont hurt anyone, and it will make a lot of poeple happy, not just the bar-players, along with the extra challenge if you like.

[Dogswood]

[Synaesthesia]

[KoFFreaK]

[Spork]

Yummy.

What I get from this thread so far is that KoFFreak insists that he is right, and we are all wrong.

I love ddrfreak :-D
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[Cutriss]

[Spork]

I have no problem with ddr freak. I come here daily, pretty much for the last 3 years PLUS.

I just noticed what would happen, and I mentioned it.

I love this place.
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[Boochypa]