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DDR1guy
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40.  Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Remy wrote: | | justinthinksbillsucks wrote: | | Anyway, we're almost three pages in and I still see no irony; just a bunch of "HEY THIS LAWSUIT IS BARELY RELATED TO ANOTHER LAWSUIT HAHAHA THAT MEANS IRONY RIGHT??" Good job, DDRFreak. |
The irony is that a company that built their reputation for making third party controllers is suing someone for making third party controllers.
Irony: Incongruity between what might be expected and what actually occurs. |
kinda how no one is really taking this serious
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| 41. Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 8:15 pm Post subject: |
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| justinthinksbillsucks wrote: | | DDRManiacMark wrote: | | Red Octane makes Guitar Hero, a knock off of Guitar freaks. |
I stopped reading your awful post once I laughed aloud after reading this line, although I should've known better than to read more than five words from someone named "DDRManiacMark." |
Really? I think that's actually one of the more intelligent things he's ever said on any forum.
Unless of course you thought Guitar Freaks "copied" off of Guitar Hero.
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| 42. Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 5:27 am Post subject: |
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| Remy wrote: | | Irony: Incongruity between what might be expected and what actually occurs. |
What exactly is "unexpected" about a lawsuit filed for financial gain and/or competitive advantage? That's just business-as-usual.
Like I said earlier.... hypocrisy is what we're looking at here... |
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Cutriss
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| 43. Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 5:59 am Post subject: |
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| Slowpoke wrote: | | Remy wrote: | | Irony: Incongruity between what might be expected and what actually occurs. |
What exactly is "unexpected" about a lawsuit filed for financial gain and/or competitive advantage? That's just business-as-usual. |
Cynicism tends to kill irony. In a "normal" worldview, it would be ironic.
And yes, it's also hypocritical. We're not on a strict one-adjective limit here.
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| 44. Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 7:15 am Post subject: |
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| DDR1guy wrote: | so what Guitar Game? I mean is it: Cool it's compatible with Gitaroo-Man also?? or: Cool it's compatible with Guitar Freak all I have to do is mod?
Shredder should be careful I think tmnt has the trademark on that. ...Whoops I said to much here comes konami again.... |
This will be my last serious contribution to this thread since nobody else seems to be engaging this topic factually.
Activision/RO allege that the TAC boxes cause confusion for their customers and that trademarks are violated. So TAC has a box that refers generically to a "guitar game", in this case Guitar Hero. What else would you have them say to avoid mentioning Guitar Hero by name but still convey that this is a guitar controller for a guitar game? There is really only one guitar game that is known by the mainstream, and it sure as heck isn't Gitaroo-Man or Guitar Freaks.
As far as the Shredder comment goes, "shredder" is a common word that refers to a character, a boarder, a guitarist, and a thing for cutting paper. As such, it would only really be trademark infringement if it were mentioned on the box in the context of a ninja character. This is opposed to a fictional word or name such as Skywalker that has no common word origin and cannot be used in other contexts as a result.
Also, I checked out my TAC Wireless V box when I got home last night and found on it a rather large sticker that does state Guitar Hero by name but then also states that Guitar Hero is a trademark of RedOctane.
Personally, I think RO is trying to clear the shelves of the Wireless V in anticipation of their own wireless controller launch. My hope is that the courts will only go so far as requiring TAC to modify their packaging, a move that shouldn't require a recall of product, the destruction of the hardware, or the surrendering of profits.
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| 45. Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 9:00 am Post subject: |
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| This press release from TAC wrote: | September 21, 2006- Chino, CA- The Ant Commandos, Inc. (TAC) announced today it filed a counter claim in the United States District Court for the Central District of California against Activision Publishing, Inc. and RedOctane, Inc. The counter claim alleges that both Activision and RedOctane are violating Federal Antitrust legislation pertaining to the Guitar Hero game and controller bundle. In addition, the counter claim alleges that both Activision and RedOctane copied the identifiable trade dress of the controller from its developer and part owner of TAC, Topway Electrical Appliance, Co. More specifically, the cross complaint alleges that this design was copied by RedOctane in developing the Guitar Hero SG controller and alleges that RedOctane developed the Guitar Hero game around Topwayâs identifiable trade dress. RedOctane allegedly copied the c! olor, shape, and placement of the five fret buttons located on the controller.
In addition to the counter claim, TAC has filed for a preliminary injunction asking the federal court to enjoin Activision and RedOctane from further infringing on the trade dress originally developed by Topway. The injunction also asks the court to allow for fair competition in the market by enjoining the sale of the game/controller âbundleâ so that consumers no longer have to purchase both the Guitar Hero game and the RedOctane controller but rather may purchase the game and have their choice on which controller to buy. To date, no injunction against TAC has been filed in this matter.
Topway originally designed and manufactured the Magical Guitar, a guitar controller for use with PlayStation® in 1999. TAC alleges in its cross complaint, among other things, that RedOctane purchased several hundred of the Magical Guitars from Topway prior to producing the controllers themselves. Furthermore, the cross complaint alleges that top management at RedOctane visited the Topway factory on numerous occasions and specifically inquired about Topwayâs trade dress design.
Hong Lip Yow, owner of The Ant Commandos, Inc., says TAC will continue to design, manufacture, and distribute The Guitar Mania Line despite the original claims filed by Activision Publishing, Inc. and RedOctane, Inc.
âTAC will continue to make and improve on innovative peripherals to provide gamers with a choice. I strongly believe consumers should have their own choice, especially when it comes to choosing a better quality and better designed product,â Hong Lip Yow stated.
TAC is dedicated to making superior products for the video game industry. TACâs guitar controllers offer gamers wireless controlling options. The TAC controllers also feature a back lit strum bar, are heavier and stronger than its competitorâs controllers, and are beautifully colored with quality metallic paint. |
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| 46. Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 9:18 am Post subject: |
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| Well, that's silly. I hope RedOctane gets served by Topway becasue of this, to be honest. It's so terrible hypocritical, it bugs me. At least TAC is getting publicity. |
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| 48. Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 11:40 am Post subject: |
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No idea about TAC but RO makes crap tastic DDR hard pads... so I can really say the quality of their DDR pads are crap... look at those After Burners and how often they stop working... I think Red Octane deserves to lose this. They got too rich off their DDR pads and now they are corrupt... may they burn in hell  |
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| 49. Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 12:25 pm Post subject: |
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| sherl0k wrote: | Goddamn, music games are SERIOUS BUSINESS.
That's an amazing counterclaim.
And Cutriss, where did you get that press release from? I couldn't find it. |
It was in my Inbox. 
And I'll be getting a Wireless V in the post next week to review by the way, guys.
Edit - Ooh, speaking of press releases, I just got this in my inbox: | Quote: | The Ant Commandos (TAC) Announces the Guitar Mania Amplifier 28r for the PlayStation®, PlayStation®2, Xbox, Xbox360
Chino, CA â September 21, 2006 â Today, The Ant Commandos (TAC), a leading designer and distributor of innovative peripherals and accessories for the gaming world, announced the launch of the Guitar Mania Amplifier 28r for PlayStation®, PlayStation®2, Xbox, and Xbox360.
Rock out louder than ever before on the Freedom V Wireless, Rocking V Wired, and Shredder guitar controllers by turning up the two customized volume knobs on the Guitar Mania Amplifier 28r higher than any television speaker. Players can also jam to a clearer, richer sound with easy to use bass and treble knobs on the stylish silver face plate.
The Guitar Mania Amplifier 28r plugs directly into a television or audio system via an audio/video cable and is compatible with any guitar controller and all guitar-based games including Red Octane's Guitar Heroâ¢. The 30-Watt amp looks like a real amplifier because it is one, sporting two 1/4â inputs for real electric guitars and microphones.
Key Features:
-Two instrument channels with separate volume controls
-Master volume control
-Bass & treble control
-Easy plug in set-up
-Classic silver face plate
-30 watts
-Two 1/4â inputs
Players will now have the ability to transform their living rooms into virtual arenas with the wireless technology of the Freedom V Wireless and the crisp sound of the Guitar Mania Amplifier 28r. Extreme rock enthusiasts won't want to miss the opportunity to purchase the Ultimate Rock Star Gaming Package, which includes both peripherals plus a bonus designer guitar strap for one low price!
Ultimate Rock Star Gaming Package Includes:
-Rocking Red or Blue Freedom V Wireless Guitar Controller
-Guitar Mania Amplifier 28r
-Flame Guitar Strap
TAC provides a variety of accessories to complete the rock star experience. Check out designer guitar straps including the Flame Guitar Strap and Storm Guitar Strap. Customize each guitar with Gamer Graffix Skins designed to fit TAC's Freedom V Wireless and Rocking V Wired. Travel in style with the new V Controller Case, a sleek nylon guitar case designed to carry any Guitar Mania V Series guitar.
For more information on the Guitar Mania Amplifier 28r, Guitar Mania Guitar Controllers, Guitar Mania Guitar Straps, Guitar Mania V Controller Case, or Gamer Graffix Skins please visit www.theguitarmania.com. For more information on the The Ant Commandos (TAC) visit www.theantcommandos.com.
PlayStation®2 is a registered trademark of Sony Computer Entertainment, Inc. Guitar Hero⢠is a trademark of Red Octane, Inc.
About The Ant Commandos
TAC is a leading designer, manufacturer, and distributor of innovative peripherals and accessories for the interactive entertainment industry. TAC's innovative designs follow our fundamental belief of Simplicity, Interactivity, and Mobility. TAC's commitment to pushing the design limits in these dimensions has spawned many new and exciting products for game enthusiasts worldwide.
You can find more information about The Ant Commandos by visiting www.theantcommandos.com or www.theguitarmania.com |
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| 50. Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 12:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Cutriss wrote: | | And I'll be getting a Wireless V in the post next week to review by the way, guys. |
You think the main topic is irony, this is actually turning out to be a selling point for TAC for people to buy and try out the controllers, thats double irony dont you think?.......if Red Octane lose, TAC will be loaded......get ready for the THIRD guitar simulator game....hey why not, theres 10 differant DDR clones out there (little exaggeration but you get the point).
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| 52. Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 1:05 pm Post subject: |
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| DDR1guy wrote: | | i really wouldn't want redoctane to lose since that would mean no more GH... |
Nonsense. This isn't about the software, only the hardware.
And Activision would completely destroy its share price on the stock market if it tried to do a scorched earth campaign against TAC by shutting down Guitar Hero. I don't have the numbers to back it up, but given what I've seen on the best-seller lists, GH is more popular than DDR is in the USA.
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| 55. Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 3:01 pm Post subject: |
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This is so classic  RO just doesn't like a taste of their own medicine
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| 56. Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 6:01 pm Post subject: |
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RedOctane fails at life for more reasons than just the AfterBurner now.
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| 57. Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 6:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Cutriss wrote: | | sherl0k wrote: | Goddamn, music games are SERIOUS BUSINESS.
That's an amazing counterclaim.
And Cutriss, where did you get that press release from? I couldn't find it. |
It was in my Inbox. :)
And I'll be getting a Wireless V in the post next week to review by the way, guys.
[Large amount of overquoting edited out by [RTFAQ] blue-kun] |
let me kn ow when you find out a price for that sucker im gonna buy one
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| 58. Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 10:01 pm Post subject: |
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| wow lol i was gone for a while and so much drama now hmm i wonder what happens when konami releases guitar freaks in the us now since they patented the name already for here. |
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