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Wolfman Jake
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580.  Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 6:03 pm Post subject: |
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Wow, you cut out the rest of what I said because it made your pithy little retort seem all the more inane? Was that supposed to impress someone?
To the point, Synethesia, your argument is hopelessly flawed. Those "insignificant mental challenges" that you try to marginalize are overcome most often by using mods that MAKE THE GAME EASIER. It is people like you who select what THEY think is the only thing that matters and then dismiss the rest. You cannot argue that arrow reading doesn't matter by saying that you can "negate" its challenge by REMOVING it from the gameplay. Want to bring memorization into it? Fine. Memorizing stops and BPM changes can help you get through a song, just as memorizing the music helps you keep the rhythm and improve your accuracy. Sorry, you can't win there either. The fact that you're even trying to make these claims shows that you don't even read what's going on. You just sniff out thoughtful discussions, especially if your precious ITG is on the line, and then proceed to throw your ignorant weight around to somehow convince yourself that you are smarter than everyone else. If you even put just a LITTLE bit of honest thought into the things you say and do here, you might deserve a small part of that huge chip on your shoulder.
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| 581. Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 6:05 pm Post subject: |
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| AA Bob wrote: | | cfusionpm wrote: | mike, dont even bother; they'll never listen.
wolfman, valiant effort. you're one of the few that sees it as we do. |
Ah, I wish I were as enlightened as you guys. It must be nice knowing the truth. I pity myself for being so ignorant. |
you really have no idea who mike is, do you?
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AA Bob
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| 583. Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 6:13 pm Post subject: |
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| cfusionpm wrote: | | AA Bob wrote: | | cfusionpm wrote: | mike, dont even bother; they'll never listen.
wolfman, valiant effort. you're one of the few that sees it as we do. |
Ah, I wish I were as enlightened as you guys. It must be nice knowing the truth. I pity myself for being so ignorant. |
you really have no idea who mike is, do you? |
More importantly, I don't care. As I have said several times, freestyle has nothing to do with any of this.
| Wolfman Jake wrote: | | Memorizing stops and BPM changes can help you get through a song, just as memorizing the music helps you keep the rhythm and improve your accuracy. |
Memorizing the music will only improve your score slightly. Memorizing the BPM changes will increase your score by a large amount.
| Wolfman Jake wrote: | | Sorry, you can't win there either. The fact that you're even trying to make these claims shows that you don't even read what's going on. You just sniff out thoughtful discussions, especially if your precious ITG is on the line, and then proceed to throw your ignorant weight around to somehow convince yourself that you are smarter than everyone else. If you even put just a LITTLE bit of honest thought into the things you say and do here, you might deserve a small part of that huge chip on your shoulder. |
I have no idea where any of that came from, but it's completely untrue. I'd go through that and argue with every sentence, but I should be doing schoolwork now.
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OLRmy Sai-kun
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| 584. Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 6:14 pm Post subject: |
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I thought the point of the game was to have fun...D:
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That's why I play...
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| 585. Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 6:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Saito-kun wrote: | I thought the point of the game was to have fun...D:
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That's why I play... |
We have a winner!
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| 586. Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 6:28 pm Post subject: |
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i play bag 1x my bud matt plays bag 1x old asheville poster kevin played it 1x and never got below an A on it infact pretty everyone in asheville playes 1x
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Hlavco
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| 587. Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 6:35 pm Post subject: |
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Just for the people who say DDR isn't dancing, here's the first definition of "dance" from dictionary.com:
| Quote: | danceâ /dæns, dÉns/ [dans, dahns]
1. to move one's feet or body, or both, rhythmically in a pattern of steps, esp. to the accompaniment of music. |
That sounds pretty DDR-like to me.
Also, even though I play Maniac mode, I still try to make it look a little dance-y. Some people hardly move their body and stare intently at the screen while stepping like some sorta DDR-robot.
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Wolfman Jake
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cfusionpm
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| 589. Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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| AA Bob wrote: | | cfusionpm wrote: | | AA Bob wrote: | | cfusionpm wrote: | mike, dont even bother; they'll never listen.
wolfman, valiant effort. you're one of the few that sees it as we do. |
Ah, I wish I were as enlightened as you guys. It must be nice knowing the truth. I pity myself for being so ignorant. |
you really have no idea who mike is, do you? |
More importantly, I don't care. As I have said several times, freestyle has nothing to do with any of this. |
his views have nothing to do with freestyle, and he doesnt even freestyle himself. hes actually one of the best technical PA and oni ddr players in the US. click on his banner in his sig, or just click here: www.mikefromsantee.com. but the bigger point was that he, like me, shares the views of wolfman jake, and has more than enough knowledge, skill, and technique to back up anything he says. he represents one of those in the silent minority that wolfman is trying to stand up for. not everyone is a speed mod whoring, bar raping, itg lover, and there actually are some of us that know and appreciate ddr's roots and tend to view the games as such. if i had the time and energy, i would have said everything wolfman did myself, but im not that articulate. thank you wolfman, you said everything i would have liked to about dancing games. as for mike, he has probably more knowledge in the concepts, ideas, and techniques for arrow smashing than anyone else i have ever heard of, seen, or read about. his words have a lot of value, and its your choice to listen or not.
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| 590. Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 7:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Wolfman Jake wrote: | | Saito-kun wrote: | BREAKING NEWS: Felm can be found (along with the stepchart :3) at Bemanistyle.
Clean version rocks \o/ |
Wow, it really is good  Much better than FAXX. |
Third'd. It gave FAXX an HVAM-like kick in the pants. ALL PRAISES TO 2MB!!!!!
BTW, I love the fact that the song's steps get more and more intense as the phone call progresses from the rings to the busy signals, etc. 
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| 591. Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 8:04 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, I also agree. I've always enjoyed all the 2MB remixes (HVAM is even my favorite DDR song), so I'm glad I can still go on and still give Yuichi Asami props just like I always have...and still have the same high hopes for getting to see (well, hear) more of his 2MB-aliased work.
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| 592. Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 8:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Max.(period) wrote: | | Saito-kun wrote: | I thought the point of the game was to have fun...D:
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That's why I play... |
We have a winner! |
I completely agree.
If you play speed mods, don't bash people who don't.
If you don't play speed mods, don't bash people who do.
If you use the bar, don't bash people who don't.
If you don't use the bar, don't bash people who do.
If you love DDR, don't bash ITG.
If you love ITG, don't bash DDR.
And we'll all get along 
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| One Bad Apple wrote: | | KingofLight06 wrote: | | Eh, it's not that bad. When you're playing Single, and you're really tuned in, you hardly even notice it. |
Everytime I read this, I see "Eh, it's not that bad. When you're single, and really turned on, you hardly even notice it" |
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Liquid Zero
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| 593. Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 8:09 pm Post subject: |
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lol, well put.
Unfortunately, it's gonna be awhile for that to ever happen. =/
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AA Bob
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| 594. Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 8:33 pm Post subject: |
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| cfusionpm wrote: | | not everyone is a speed mod whoring, bar raping, itg lover |
1. Let's just get this out of the way: that was directed at me. Don't tell me it wasn't; you used it in an argument against an opinion of mine in a paragraph that followed a quote of mine.
2. That comment demonstrated such colossal ignorance that it took away any incentive for me to read the remainder of what you had written, and any respect I had for your opinion. My explanations for this follow.
3. Here's a little bit of background info for you...In the 16 months I've been playing arrowsmash games, I've used the bar ONCE. I grabbed it once just to see what it was like, held on to it for about three seconds and let go, thinking "holy shit, this is weird". I played everything on x1 in DDR for over a year, and currently use speed mods only occasionally. In ITG, I use speed mods most of the time (since it's much more necessary than in DDR), but can still do damn well on x1.
4. Even if I had been using the bar and x3 on everything since day 1, it shouldn't make a damn bit of difference. My opinion should still be every bit as valid. The fact that you would try to use something like that in an argument is deplorable. The fact that it doesn't even apply to me just makes it worse.
5. There is nothing wrong with bar/speed mod whores, and it's pretty sad to see that you not only see them in a negative light, but that you compare them to ITG players as well (thus casting that negative light on them and their game). People use speed mods and the bar to score well, both in DDR and ITG. Yes, people do something that makes it easier to score. Playing in shoes makes it easier too. So does flatfooting. So does turning the volume up. Does it matter? No. And here's why...
6. DDR and ITG are about FUN. Some people find it fun to cling to the bar (or not!) while moving their feet at blindingly fast speeds. Some people find it fun to turn up the speed mods and just react to the arrows. The fact that you don't like the idea has nothing to do with anything, and the fact that you can't see past the way you like to play shows a lot of narrow-mindedness.
7. I'm tired of being (implicitly) called an ITG fanboy every time I point out something I don't like about DDR. And do you know why? I LIKE DDR AND ITG EQUALLY. I DON'T THINK ONE GAME IS MASSIVELY SUPERIOR TO THE OTHER. I LIKE PLAYING HYBRID ON X2.5 AND SANA MORETTE ON X1 FLAT. I LIKE STEPPING THROUGH SEVEN FOOTERS AND I LIKE SPRINTING THROUGH 12-BLOCKS. I THINK THAT VERTEX AND BUTTERFLY BOTH SOUND AWESOME.
8. I can't believe there's such a severe dividing line between DDR and ITG fans. The amount of mudslinging that goes on between DDR and ITG fans is disgusting. Why is it that I can't point out that DDR isn't perfect without seven people jumping down my throat?
All of a sudden, I can see why Syn says things like "Your ignorance amuses me to no end" and answers "What's your problem?" with "Stupid people."
This post is about as close to flaming someone as I'm going to get on these forums. I'm sorry, but the amount of ignorance and intolerance of others' viewpoints on these boards, and yes, in this very thread, is absolutely appalling. For God's sake people, grow up.
Sometimes you guys really surprise me...
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| 595. Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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| AA Bob wrote: | | zdemigoth wrote: |
Thank you. Someone else here knows where the x goes in the x1. |
Yeah, so it says x1 on the mods menu. Big deal. I use x1 and 1x interchangeably, and so do a lot of other people. |
...and they are wrong. You refer to DDR. DDR's modifier screen says x1. Therefore, that is the correct way to type it. Like my a-hole physics teacher used to say, it's what you say and not what you meant. That's why he takes off all possible points when you make a mistake, that way you remember you were wrong. He was a douche.
And why does everyone argue about ITG vs. DDR charts? Face the facts, a lot of ITG's hard charts are pretty nonsensical. You have 32nd notes where there is some distant humming in the background (Euphoria I think?), and you have gimmicky stuff that seems funny but isn't really matching to the songs (that crap in Robotix where you have to step to some beat in the speed-up that everyone else can hear except you  ). People that want a challenge can find pretty extreme stuff in ITG. DDR, on the other hand, has charts that go to more audible melodies and beats (normally, the extra stages are an exception sometimes) but they are simpler and usually much easier. Personally, I find better music in DDR than ITG but I am sure some would debate that. Play both people! I own ITG as well as a bunch of DDR and play both. |
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AA Bob
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| 596. Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 8:44 pm Post subject: |
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| zdemigoth wrote: | | AA Bob wrote: | | zdemigoth wrote: |
Thank you. Someone else here knows where the x goes in the x1. |
Yeah, so it says x1 on the mods menu. Big deal. I use x1 and 1x interchangeably, and so do a lot of other people. |
...and they are wrong. You refer to DDR. DDR's modifier screen says x1. Therefore, that is the correct way to type it. |
Yes, but it's still not a big deal.
| zdemigoth wrote: | | And why does everyone argue about ITG vs. DDR charts? Face the facts, a lot of ITG's hard charts are pretty nonsensical. You have 32nd notes where there is some distant humming in the background (Euphoria I think?), and you have gimmicky stuff that seems funny but isn't really matching to the songs |
I refer you to the post right above yours.
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| Emptyeye wrote: | | So um, is it bad that awhile ago I was watching Family Guy, and when Quagmire came on, I thought something to the effect of "Whoa, It's AA Bob!" (I don't remember if the exact thought was "It's AA Bob" or "It's AA Bob's avatar", but I don't think it matters in this case)? |
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Wolfman Jake
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| 597. Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 8:51 pm Post subject: |
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AA Bob, I'd like to point out that it's more than a little hipocritical of you to scream intollerance of others' viewpoints while you have been essentially trying to make the argument that the point of view that arrow reading is every bit as legitimate a component of DDR gameplay and challenge as foot speed and PA are is incorrect or inferior. The real intollerance is from the players who keep ragging on what they call "gimmicks" because it's not what THEY want for "their" game. How selfish, really. There are a LOT of players who like that kind of stuff. But you know what? There are heaps more who don't even think about ANY of that stuff and just have fun dancing. No one is debating whether foot speed, stamina, or PAing is an important part of the game. They are, of course, but they're not the only part, and a viewpoint that recognizes such is by nature much more tollerant and inclusive.
For the record, and I've said this many times, I don't care HOW you play, just don't be delusional about what you're doing. That IS annoying.
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| 598. Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 8:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Wolfman Jake wrote: | | AA Bob, I'd like to point out that it's more than a little hipocritical of you to scream intollerance of other's viewpoints while you have been essentially trying to make the argument that thinking that arrow reading is every bit a component of DDR gameplay and challenge as foot speed and PA is somehow an incorrect or inferior point of view. |
I suppose I have been making it seem like that. What I was getting at earlier is that most (all?) of the new-to-SN 10s use huge reading gimmicks. I really don't mind the occasional gimmicky chart (as I think I said earlier). I'd just like to see a little more variety.
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| Emptyeye wrote: | | So um, is it bad that awhile ago I was watching Family Guy, and when Quagmire came on, I thought something to the effect of "Whoa, It's AA Bob!" (I don't remember if the exact thought was "It's AA Bob" or "It's AA Bob's avatar", but I don't think it matters in this case)? |
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Wolfman Jake
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| 599. Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 9:14 pm Post subject: |
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| AA Bob wrote: | | What I was getting at earlier is that most (all?) of the new-to-SN 10s use huge reading gimmicks. I really don't mind the occasional gimmicky chart (as I think I said earlier). I'd just like to see a little more variety. |
Yes, Fascination MAXX has lots of tempo changes, but they're not really all that unwarranted. Fascination -eternal love mix- has much more gentile speed transitions, in my opinion, and really only has that one tricky section in the middle with the consecutive stops, which DO correspond to the gaps in that musical stream. CHAOS keeps starting and stopping on you the whole time, but now that people have heard a clean rip, it's obvious that almost all of those stops aren't coming from out of the blue either. That's about five new charts that are "gimmicks" by your definition, I think.
Xepher Challenge is about as straight laced as they come, though. Can't complain about that. HDV Challenge is pretty standard too. It's got one speed up, to which you really have plenty of time to adjust to without tripping you up. The only complaint is that the steps are 16ths and not 8th note triplets for the first half. Now, consider the fact that there are a few CS songs debuting in the arcade for the first time, and we can up this "non gimmick" count even more. MAX 300 (Super-Max-Me Mix) is pretty standard MAX series fare with nothing really out of the MAX-ordinary. That's another two. Add in PARANOiA -Respect-, which everyone loves. No one seems to care much about those "gimmick" stops peppered throughout the song. That gets us to five "non-gimmick" new 10's. Yes, you might quibble that SMMM and Respect aren't THAT new, but a lot of people skipped out on the CS mixes that contained those songs, one of which was exclusive to a Japanese CS mix, and another whose (totally awesome) Challenge chart only debuted earlier this year in another CS Japanese mix.
There's still the chance that other goodies like G2, Giudecca, or 250bpm (Jondi & Spesh Remix) will show up. Some might even appreciate Outer Limits. We still don't know what a completely "unlocked" SuperNOVA song list will look like, so even more 10's could be waiting. Remember that EXTREME didn't come with all of its new 10's unlocked by default. We had to wait for most of them. Considering that SuperNOVA is the first arcade DDR to support software updates period, let alone brand new content, it's not completely beyond the realm of possibility that fans who are loud enough can get some more 10's, "gimmick" or not, included before all is said and done. It can't hurt to try. Seemed to work with getting the AA needs score and FC rule revoked finally.
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