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0. PostPosted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 5:11 am    Post subject: DDR in the X-games (Read before you flame me plz) Reply with quote

I know there have been threads talking about DDR being a sport, but it would be cool if they had like "Technical Heavy Division" or "Freestyle" or they could have ITG, and don't just say "dDr isntt a sporrt u n00ob111!!211" if you think that state why you think that.
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1. PostPosted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 5:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i actually agree with you. In Norway where i wish i lived, DDr is considered an official Sport. But they should have DDR competitions. They could also have freestyle compteitionswhere they get judged on like how many flips and accuracy and stuff
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2. PostPosted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 6:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thats actually a cool idea. Maybe DDR pros could get some real recognition that way instead of being worshipped over the internet.
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3. PostPosted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 6:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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4. PostPosted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 8:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This would be pretty cool. From what I understand, people are easily amazed by good DDR players, so if they have some freestyles some people might watch. I know I would.
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5. PostPosted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 10:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't understand why anyone would watch DDR Freestyle over PIU Freestyle, or DDR Tech Attack over ITG Tech Attack.
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6. PostPosted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 11:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Halbort wrote:
This would be pretty cool. From what I understand, people are easily amazed by good DDR players, so if they have some freestyles some people might watch. I know I would.


People are amazed becasue it's something they don't see very often. If you make DDR mainstream it's amazment factor will drop.

Misread the quote.
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7. PostPosted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 11:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Synaesthesia wrote:
I don't understand why anyone would watch DDR Freestyle over PIU Freestyle, or DDR Tech Attack over ITG Tech Attack.
I said "or maybe ITG".
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8. PostPosted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 12:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I don't understand why anyone would watch DDR Freestyle over PIU Freestyle, or DDR Tech Attack over ITG Tech Attack.

cuz sum ppl like ddr
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9. PostPosted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 12:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

But we're talking about a mainstream event made to appeal to the greatest number of people, and Pump freestyle is far more impressive than DDR, likewise for ITG tech attack. If it were DDR (for the tech example) people would be tying each other in AAAs and flags on the exact same songs over and over again.
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10. PostPosted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 6:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

then we could add mods or something thats why they are there
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11. PostPosted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I actually try HARD not to agree with Syn because he's pretty rude sometimes, but he has a MAJOR point here.

If DDR were considered a sport, it would be mage boring because every "professional" would be AAA'ing and thus it would always end in a tie.

That's no fun, trust me.

ITG CAN have ties, but they are rarer. These ties constitute of getting the same number of excellents, not 100%ing it. Quad starring in a tournament or competitive setting almost never happens......ever. Because of that, tech attack ITG would be WAY more interesting as a sport/X-game/Sponsored competitive event of any kind.

As for PIU freestyle, this is decently debateable. I good freestlyer can make any arrow setup look pretty cool while dancing. PIU freestylers have more options for their dance routines due to the 5-panel layout, but there have been many interesting 4-panel freestyles as well. I personally have no opinion when it comes to freestyle because a truly gifted freestyler can make an amazing routine on both layouts.

But yeah, it's not just a DDR < ITG lolololol comment when I say ITG would be better as a sport than DDR.
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12. PostPosted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 7:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tyrgannus wrote:
I actually try HARD not to agree with Syn because he's pretty rude sometimes, but he has a MAJOR point here.

If DDR were considered a sport, it would be mage boring because every "professional" would be AAA'ing and thus it would always end in a tie.

That's no fun, trust me.

ITG CAN have ties, but they are rarer. These ties constitute of getting the same number of excellents, not 100%ing it. Quad starring in a tournament or competitive setting almost never happens......ever. Because of that, tech attack ITG would be WAY more interesting as a sport/X-game/Sponsored competitive event of any kind.

As for PIU freestyle, this is decently debateable. I good freestlyer can make any arrow setup look pretty cool while dancing. PIU freestylers have more options for their dance routines due to the 5-panel layout, but there have been many interesting 4-panel freestyles as well. I personally have no opinion when it comes to freestyle because a truly gifted freestyler can make an amazing routine on both layouts.

But yeah, it's not just a DDR < ITG lolololol comment when I say ITG would be better as a sport than DDR.


That's the major flaw with dance games. Eventually you become perfect at the game and then theres nowhere else to go.
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13. PostPosted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 7:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's why you increase the song difficulty, and hopefully increase the timing strictness (i.e., introduce Ridiculous timing).

As for freestyling, Pump is currently more focused on that than than 4-panel, plus the abundant hip-hop in Pump is more like the kind of music the mainstream audience would expect for freestyling. Not to mention there are just plain more people who put more effort into freestyling on Pump than people for 4-panel.
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14. PostPosted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 8:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pump freestyle is interesting but break dancing is more interesting because you dont need to see a middle size screen to understand the accomplishment. If its the x-games then I would expect some part of it to be extreme such as the machine on a spinning platform or fire laugh.gif . I don't want to see a tall boney teenager holding on to the bar as hes playing something with too many arrows that doesn't follow the beat.
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15. PostPosted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 8:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Synaesthesia wrote:
That's why you increase the song difficulty, and hopefully increase the timing strictness (i.e., introduce Ridiculous timing).

As for freestyling, Pump is currently more focused on that than than 4-panel, plus the abundant hip-hop in Pump is more like the kind of music the mainstream audience would expect for freestyling. Not to mention there are just plain more people who put more effort into freestyling on Pump than people for 4-panel.


You can only increase the timing stirctnes until it's perfectly fit with the song.
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16. PostPosted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 9:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thats why what they need is a PIU freestyle in the X-games...that would be cool.

I may (personally) like DDR better, but i have to admit PIU freestylers are more fun to watch almost 99% of the time than DDR freestylers(if there still are any).
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17. PostPosted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 9:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What demographic benefits for seeing a competition with a window that super small. That on there own they couldn’t tell if the machine was grading right. Would non DDR players have any interest in see a millisecond difference judgment decide a match? Sure they can clap along at home because they be more off then the player who plays the tight window.

I want to see pump songs with impossible steps just so people can see clear misses.

I want to see thousands of people play para para w/o a machine at once like robots on TVs.
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18. PostPosted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 9:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Avskull wrote:
I want to see pump songs with impossible steps just so people can see clear misses.


RAW, Love is a Danger Zone 2 Another Nightmare. Both are impossible with one person.

Pump is also much more internationally known. DDR is dead in most areas of the world.
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Avskull wrote:
What demographic benefits for seeing a competition with a window that super small.


They benefit by being able to more precisely determine a winner as the skill level increases. The general audience isn't going to care how many milliseconds the timing window is, but they will know that it's better to get rating X than rating Y. Consider a future scenario where the skill level of the average top-tier ITG player is such that getting 0 Excellents on a majority of the songs is commonplace. (Or if you want, you can go backwards in time to when people cared about scoring DDR, and 2 players would both AAA the song.) Without a rating above Fantastic, you can't differentiate who the better player on that song is. But if the first player got 5xx Ridiculi, 14 Fantastics, whereas the second player got 5xx but 20 Fantastics, the winner is clearly the first player (not to get hung up on numbers, since obviously the percent scoring would be reworked properly so as to reflect the difference in each player).
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