bar assist thread

[nasheq]

I define bar rape as any holding of the bar (even to gain balance) during the play of a song. With that said most of the ITG population bar rapes. However, there are some who do not touch the bar.

I claim bar rape and no bar play are two different games.

Bar ITG only consists of %.
No Bar ITG is a sport that requires balance, stamina, position, pacing, etc along with %.

And people who play by bar who think they can pass 12/13 songs no bar without practice are bullshitting. If you can do this post vids. like seen here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGCIc3pcTEY People who can no bar usually practice / play no bar and only bar on difficult songs or on FA. they have a good respect for no bar play. if you do not respect no bar play - then i suggest you start posting vids quickly or practice no bar.

People who bar rape who think they can *** easy songs are bullshitting. Proof is found here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLBoQlQ1haM

This is adamstyles and lilq Desinty 1x no bar HARD.
They obtained a score of 93 and 96 respectively on Destiny HARD. This is a very easy song for a decent non bar player to *** consistently. Yet they could not do this. they also rape the bar a bit in the vid above.

lilq had to practice very hard to back up his words of claiming he could get his bar score to equal more or less no bar score on most songs. He COULD NOT DO THIS AT FIRST. this was seen in the video above and in eye witness accounts of his expert scores being 2-3 grades lower than his bar scores a while ago.

the point here is that if you are a bar raper - most likely you can not do no bar easily if at all. If you are a purely no bar player (like me) and have never touched the bar- then you can not bar rape into the top percentiles. both techniques require practice - but no bar takes much more overall skill - stamina, pacing, balance than bar play.

this is prolly my last post since you underage f4gs here can't understand simple reasoning. it's like trying to talk with a bunch of teenagers.

[mb41186]

first off.. im not a f4g teenager so get that out of your little pathetic mind... who cares if you use the bar or not.. The creators of the game wouldn't put the bar there unless they wanted you to use it... some people choose to use it and honestly yes people are more accurate because its easier to keep your balance and pace...


some people.. such as "Pickels" who choose not to use it... people like you.. can complain all they want.. if you hate the bar so much.. break it off the metal pads and quit your whinning..
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[JLG]

I bar rap all the time.

That's why my scores are so high.
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[Tran]

No one cares that you don't rape the bar.

Also, in that Bloodrush video you posted of some guy doing it no bar, that guy got a 68 on it. And if you get a 68 on a song, no one gives a crap if it was bar or not because the score sucks either way.
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[Ashes2Ashes]

I'm sorry, but there's one part of your "definition" of bar raping that is just asinine beyond reason: this bullshit that if you touch the bar to regain your balance makes you a bar raper is retarded. You also say that you have never touched the bar? Doubtful, unless you mean that during a song your hand never curls around the bar, then I may believe you. I'm sure your foot must have accidentally hit the bar once or twice when you were a noob getting used to arcade style pads (I know I did). I also bet that, being a no bar player, you may have hit the bar with a flailing arm once or twice (I know I have, also when I was a noob and my arms actually flailed instead of being coordinated to keep balance when needed).

So let's say that I, a mostly non-bar user (I use bar to practice harder songs and help build up stamina by passing songs I normally can't without bar), slipped while playing, say, Fleadh Uncut, because the jackoff who played before me had wet shoes from coming in from the rain and didn't wipe the pads off properly when he was done, and that I didn't notice. If I touch (or most likely grab the bar) to keep myself from falling and breaking my neck, thus becoming a quadrapelegic (I have a feeling I didn't spell that right, I'm tired) and never being able to play the game again for the rest of my life, that makes me a "bar raper"?

Also I sometimes lean on the bar in between songs when I am tired, or before the notes appear at the beginning of the song. So I guess I'm a bar raper because I touched the bar even though I didn't use the bar. (My point through those last two paragraphs, in case you missed it the first time or don't know how to make inferences, is that your definition sucks)

There are different levels of bar usage. When someone says bar raper, rape is the key word. It implies that the person using the bar is using it excessively or exclusively. But in all seriousness: IT DOESN'T MATTER!

People who complain about people who use the bar need to grow up and stop being "f4g teenagers" who go cry on DDRFreak whenever they get tired of watching people bar rape. You need to realize a few things: 1) Most of the community Does Not Agree with you. Why? Because most of the community Uses The Bar to some extent. 2) Most people aren't going to think that your score is more impressive because it was done no bar. Unless you hacked the machine, no one is going to care how you got your Quad star on Bumble Bee Hard Ok? Same thing goes for speed mods. 3) Coming here and complaining that LilQ or Adam Styles or whoever has better scores with the bar than you do without the bar will just get you laughed at and yelled at, and most likely will make the rest of the comunity completely disregard any opinions you ever have. 4) Just because you happened to find two videos on Youtube that prove your point doesn't mean that you're right. youtube does not have videos of every performance ever, so you probably found videos of the exception, not the rule.

Going back to my points about your terrible definition, you say that "if you are a bar raper - most likely you can not do no bar easily if at all." By your definition I am a bar raper, though anyone who isn't a complete asshole about bar usage would disagree. I can pass any oni course that doesn't have tens in it no bar, and the only thing stopping me from doing ones with tens is that my stamina sucks (just to be clear, oni's are more about endurance than stamina, and I do have plenty of endurance).

So in summary, your definition of bar raping sucks, you're a whiny asshole "f4g", and no one is sorry to see you go.

With absolutely no love, buhbye,
Ashley

[IHYD.Blake]

Hey guys I am not underage and I suck at this game and I want to get the word out that I will use the excuse that I dont rape a red piece of metal while playing a video game.
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[Kyrandian]

I actually agree with quite a bit a of what the original poster wrote. Bar and no-bar play both require different sets of skills, and if you only practice one way, you won't be able to perform as well using a diffent technique. It's unfair to say a player is unskilled if they require the bar, their skills are simply specialized (this is a weakness nevertheless). A sick score is a sick score either way.

My (and I think the original poster's) stance on this issue is that it's important to be flexible. Being a "purist" will not benefit you. What important is that you play the way that allows you to perform your best, and this is different for different people. While the bar helps many people be more on easy stepcharts, it hinders others who find the bar disrupts their natural balance and rhythmic flow during easy streams. I usually try songs on ITG with and without the bar, to figure out what works best for me. Sometimes a combination of both, or a one handed technique works best (in Soapy Bubble for example).

Part of the fun of any game is challenging yourself and trying new things, so outside of a tournament setting, I think it's a great idea for a player to experiement with no bar play on difficult songs, as I do with many double expert charts (though that can be dangerous at times). Be versatile people! One style of play is not universally better than every other.

[Thomas Hobbes]

Barring is just another type of play. It's a different playstyle that has its own skillset that players have adapted too or can choose to.
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i'd like to think im a decent player, but i suppose not anymore since i cant *** Destiny on hard.
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[Trexxen]

Like Kyrindian, I also agree with the fact that if you use bar or no bar exclusively, it becomes harder to get used to it. Personally, I use no bar for scoring and bar for passing harder songs, though once I get into the 11s and up that might change. (Just passed my first 10 a week ago, so meh...)

However, I do take offense at the last statement. What's bad about us teenagers, huh? Are we ALL hoodlums who tag walls and bash lights? No, and we deserve the same respect other humans do. Besides, I wouldn't doubt that you're a teenager yourself, based on some of the parts of your post.

[T-14]

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[0rion]

Speaking as someone that plays on 1x (often without the bar)... nasheq, you're full of shit. As are all the other 6,489,659,489 that start this argument over and over again. It was stupid back in 2002, it's stupid now, and it will be stupid for all time.

So, you're not as impressed by mod/bar runs. Whooptie-fucking-do for you! What's the got to do with everyone else? Why should everyone else decide that your standard of what's impressive or not is the right one!? Stop fucking trying to change the way other people play, because no one will care what you think and everyone will (rightfully) think you are a jerk for telling them that they have less skill than anyone else. Especially since the vast majority of players here could almost certainly chew you up and spit you out in terms of score, bar OR no-bar.

Granted, not everyone is impressed by someone that takes the absolute easiest route to playing a game. I mean, take Final Fantasy Tactics, for instance. Someone trying to beat the game with a low-level Bard SCC (look it up) is WAY harder than someone power-levelling and then Orlandu/Beowulfing everything in sight. But you still get to the same place and do the same thing. Some people want to give themselves a challenge. Others just want to get results. Neither person is absolutely, totally right in their view, and both sides are shitheads if they tell anyone else that they're playing the "wrong" way.

So, to sum up: you are full of shit. This argument has been done a million times. And if you tell someone that plays a game that they're doing it wrong, you deserve to be sodomized by a hot branding iron.

And by the way, I'm 22. So, as they say, check yourself before you wreck yourself.

Class is dismissed.
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