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Hopefully when they release the V3 (they ARE going to make one, right?)

Sure, when hell freezes over. Just like they're going to make that Xbox control box. E15.gif
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i just don't understand it though. how can a CF be a worthy purchase when there will come a time when you need to fix it like you would any other metal pad?

do CF's need maintenance less frequently or something?
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i just don't understand it though. how can a CF be a worthy purchase when there will come a time when you need to fix it like you would any other metal pad?

No pad is indestructible. But CFs are much more durable than other metal pads, and they're very simple on the inside, making them easy to fix. A week ago, an arrow on one of my 10-month-old CFs died. This is not something that happens to most people; I may have pulled on a wire when I was cleaning the pad. I unscrewed the panel, pryed up one of the velcro circles, uncoiled the wire under the velcro so that it would make better contact with the panel, put it back together, and it was fixed. The whole thing took 5-10 minutes.

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do CF's need maintenance less frequently or something?

Yes. They need to be cleaned every six months or so, and that's about it. It's pretty rare to run into other problems, and as I said before, they can almost always be fixed easily.
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So um, is it bad that awhile ago I was watching Family Guy, and when Quagmire came on, I thought something to the effect of "Whoa, It's AA Bob!" (I don't remember if the exact thought was "It's AA Bob" or "It's AA Bob's avatar", but I don't think it matters in this case)?
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AA Bob wrote:
videoCWK wrote:
Hopefully when they release the V3 (they ARE going to make one, right?)

Sure, when hell freezes over. Just like they're going to make that Xbox control box. E15.gif


Oh, well I've got a cooler and some ice...
So they're not making some great control box that'll let the CF play on Xbox and PC? Aww...
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AA Bob wrote:
mthegreatone wrote:
i just don't understand it though. how can a CF be a worthy purchase when there will come a time when you need to fix it like you would any other metal pad?

No pad is indestructible. But CFs are much more durable than other metal pads, and they're very simple on the inside, making them easy to fix. A week ago, an arrow on one of my 10-month-old CFs died. This is not something that happens to most people; I may have pulled on a wire when I was cleaning the pad. I unscrewed the panel, pryed up one of the velcro circles, uncoiled the wire under the velcro so that it would make better contact with the panel, put it back together, and it was fixed. The whole thing took 5-10 minutes.

mthegreatone wrote:
do CF's need maintenance less frequently or something?

Yes. They need to be cleaned every six months or so, and that's about it. It's pretty rare to run into other problems, and as I said before, they can almost always be fixed easily.


so in the end it's more of like an investment rather than a "holy-crap-it costs-300-dollars"-type of purchase? when you put it that way, it sounds like a good buy. i suppose i can consider purchasing one then. i'm actually waiting for my konami softpad to wear out before getting a metal pad, but the konami pads are disturbingly long-lasting LOL.

and one more thing......what's the situation with the plastic covers for the arrows? those need replacing once in a while right?
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and one more thing......what's the situation with the plastic covers for the arrows? those need replacing once in a while right?

No. biggrin.gif They're lexan, not regular plastic, and I seriously have never heard of one breaking. I know mine have held up marvelously after months of playing.
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mthegreatone wrote:
and one more thing......what's the situation with the plastic covers for the arrows? those need replacing once in a while right?

No. biggrin.gif They're lexan, not regular plastic, and I seriously have never heard of one breaking. I know mine have held up marvelously after months of playing.


Well, the lexan gets scuffed and scratched after shoe wear and tear. It's not 'needed' but you have the option to replace them if you want them looking new and shiny of course.
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AA Bob wrote:
mthegreatone wrote:
and one more thing......what's the situation with the plastic covers for the arrows? those need replacing once in a while right?

No. biggrin.gif They're lexan, not regular plastic, and I seriously have never heard of one breaking. I know mine have held up marvelously after months of playing.


Well, the lexan gets scuffed and scratched after shoe wear and tear. It's not 'needed' but you have the option to replace them if you want them looking new and shiny of course.


i'm just kind of concerned because i believe that the TX-line of pads boasted how they have lexan covers also even though people have complained that they break.
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So they're not making some great control box that'll let the CF play on Xbox and PC? Aww...

I think they are, but it'll be a while before we see it. They've been talking about making one for years. Last I heard, they had to get Microsoft to approve it or something. But that was last year. I think this is the most recent update (from Nov 18, 2005):

Vance wrote:
Hey guys, I thought I'd give you an update on the control box. Being mysterious is fun some of the time, but this particular product had been in the works forever, so I'll keep you all posted.

Basically, it's done, and it's incredibly sick -- we're almost ready to start taking preorders. However, what Daemon said is true: before we can sell it we're waiting on some last verifications from Microsoft (primarily in terms of part availability). Since it's Xbox 360 season, MS seems to be blowing almost everybody off, and every single peripheral company on the planet is hammering for 360 parts/info (including us ), so we're just crossing our fingers we'll hear back from them soon. The last thing we want to do is start selling them and then find out we can't get Xbox plugs until March after our initial shipment.

If MS takes too long, we'll start looking to companies like Lik-Sang for parts so we can reliably build the thousands of these we're going to need. Lik-Sang is a solid company and they've come through for us in other pinch situations.


So basically, it's coming, but we don't know when. I would be surprised if it came out this year.

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i'm just kind of concerned because i believe that the TX-line of pads boasted how they have lexan covers also even though people have complained that they break.

TX pads use Lexan? I never knew that. But like I said before, I've never heard of a CF panel cracking.
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I've seen a TX's panels completely break in half just from consistent 1-7 foot play. My CF however has taken many severe beatings and all I do is clean it out every now and then and it works just as great as the day I got it. I can tell you that whatever CFs and the TXs are made out of doesn't even feel the same.
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For those of you wanting to abandon the CF's control box, Ive managed to make a couple of other control boxes that work great and don't break the bank.

I made a couple of RO "control boxes" using a PSOne controller and a Red Octane universal adapter.. works great in Windows XP and on the Xbox.

I also bought a couple of TX4000 control boxes from Lik Sang and wired them over to work on the CF. They are the best solution Ive found. They show up in Windows as a dance pad and require NO driver. I'm 99% sure they show up on Xbox Live as a dance pad as well.

I posted some instructions along with parts, etc over on the Cobalt Flux forum. I was going to do a really detailed "How To" on the PSOne hack but the TX4000 boxes are better IMO.

I did 2 TX4000 boxes complete for under $50.00. The PSOne hack probably cost a bit less.. maybe $40.00 or so for the pair. Either way, my CF control boxes (All 6 of them, LOL) are sitting in a drawer now.
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AA Bob wrote:

mthegreatone wrote:
i'm just kind of concerned because i believe that the TX-line of pads boasted how they have lexan covers also even though people have complained that they break.

TX pads use Lexan? I never knew that. But like I said before, I've never heard of a CF panel cracking.


i just thought that's what i heard. but it's kind of funny now because i just checked lik-sang and when i search for TX, all that comes up is the TX4000 which uses stainless steal covers for the arrows. they don't list the crappy pads which used plastic for their arrows.
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For those of you wanting to abandon the CF's control box, Ive managed to make a couple of other control boxes that work great and don't break the bank.

I also bought a couple of TX4000 control boxes from Lik Sang and wired them over to work on the CF. They are the best solution Ive found. They show up in Windows as a dance pad and require NO driver. I'm 99% sure they show up on Xbox Live as a dance pad as well.

I posted some instructions along with parts, etc over on the Cobalt Flux forum. I was going to do a really detailed "How To" on the PSOne hack but the TX4000 boxes are better IMO.

I did 2 TX4000 boxes complete for under $50.00. The PSOne hack probably cost a bit less.. maybe $40.00 or so for the pair. Either way, my CF control boxes (All 6 of them, LOL) are sitting in a drawer now.


about the TX4000 control box, is this the one you're talking about?
http://www.lik-sang.com/info.php?category=23&products_id=8090&

and what wiring did you have to do or better yet, where in this thread are the instructions to the wiring so that i come up on xbox live as actually using a dance mat.

also one more thing to everybody. i just want to make sure for myself before i buy a CF, but with the arcade mod you can make your CF almost, if not exactly, like the arcades? (designs different though)
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I'm having considerable trouble getting Stepmania to work with my Cobalt Flux. At first I had tried using a Super Dual Box as an adapter, but unfortunately I had this problem where whenever I held down an arrow, Stepmania would register the arrow as being pressed repeatedly very rapidly, making navigating menus and playing songs much more frustrating to do.

So I came to this topic and asked for what adapter might be better suited for the CF, and someone had recommended the EMS Dual Shooter, so I ordered that and waited for it to come in. Now it's finally arrived, and after installing the software, I can't get it to register any button presses at all. This is really frustrating, as I've now had my CF for weeks and haven't been able to use it. Must I purchase a third adapter and wait another week? Any help?
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Try fiddling around with the controller options in the control panel before you buy another adapter.

if nothing works, go for the trio linker plus, it's worked for me since last christmas, no problems as of yet.
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i would just go to stepmania's website and look up the usable adapters there. the super joy tends to work but be careful, only one of them out of alot of them is the one your looking for.
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Thats not gonna work and let me tell you why.

Cobalt Flux has about a zillion firmware revisions out for these control boxes. Some work with this adapter, some work with this other adapter and some work with no adapters.

Thats what led me to where Im at now. I have had 8 different CF control boxes in my hands at different times and tested them with various adapters and I can say with 99.9% cerrtainty that there is no adapter that works 100% of the time. For example, out of 8 CF boxes, 2 worked with the Red Octane adapters. The others showed no button activation, like someone mentioned above.

The Innex controller for the Xbox worked on 6 of the 8 CF boxes. I have some other Xbox adapters that didnt work at all.

Point is, it's a gamble to see if any of them are going to work. That's why I decided to just remove the CF control box right out of the equation and do something universal to replace it once and for all. Here's a link to the thread on the CF forum. It's mainly a lot of rambling on my part but you should be able to decipher enough of it to build either setup that I did.

http://www.cobaltflux.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6061

Shaggy, yes, that is the control box Im refering to. It's a 9 pin design tho so you need to just wire up a 15 pin cable or connector to the appropriate colors. There is more than enough info in that thread above to get you going, including a source and pin out for a 15 pin SVGA cable.
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Has Cobalt Flux, the company, endorsed any PC/XBox adapters?
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mfillescasabc wrote:
Has Cobalt Flux, the company, endorsed any PC/XBox adapters?


PC, no. For the Xbox, I think they sell the Gemini adapter or have tested their boxes with the Gemini adapter and thats the one they recommend or something.

Long and the short of it, there is no better solution than replacing the CF control box. Period. End of story.
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Does anybody know how much each commercial cobalt flux goes for?

In case you don't know what I'm talking about:

http://www.cobaltflux.com/commercial/
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