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J. S. Mill
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20.  Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 11:45 am Post subject: |
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| GiJew wrote: | | he is up there with the top 5 in the world for sure. |
Sorry, but I don't buy that. Best scores are totally worthless for tournaments, consistency is much more important (and has always been his weakness).
There are three players I think are clearly and obviously better then everyone else in the world: Mike, Damien and Kevin.
Then, there are scores of extremely competitive players who practice very frequently and are very experienced tournament players. I'll just name two from my community: Ryan (DukAmok) and Omid.
Either of the last two players can consistently play power songs and get world-record level scores, and have almost no weaknesses. They also play a lot, and have done so for a long time.
It is not impossible for Pickles to be the superior tournament player, but having never seen him enter a tournament and judging as I can only from his DDR skill, I'd have to say the odds of him being better then any of the five players I have named are extremely low.
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stqcb
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| 21. Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Well, I'd say that Pickles is very consistent. I know that you can't really judge because you've never actually seen him in a tournament, and I used to be the same. But ever since I saw play in person I can say that he is good enough to be ranked in the top 10 for sure. Maybe top 5 but for sure top 10. As I said, all the scores that he got were top 5 to 10 on Groovestats only being off by a few excellents. I'd say that's very consistent. |
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J. S. Mill
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| 22. Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 8:05 pm Post subject: |
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| stqcb wrote: | | I know that you can't really judge because you've never actually seen him in a tournament |
Yes I have. He was at Jacob Javits.
| stqcb wrote: | | As I said, all the scores that he got were top 5 to 10 on Groovestats only being off by a few excellents. I'd say that's very consistent. |
Consistency outside of a tournament setting is absolutely worthless.
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| 23. Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 1:39 pm Post subject: |
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| I know at least 1 person... who is good outside of tournaments(top 30 on every song mostly...except sone of those songs where if you have 2ex you're like 50th) but in a tournament setting cannot focus for anything. He gets shaky and just plain sucks. So you can be very good outside of a tournament yet still never beat those players that are so comfortable with every song. |
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Kaku
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| 24. Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Synaesthesia wrote: | | Asymptote wrote: | | thats an old vid as well. he could probably manage 90 on it no bar. |
Compared to his DDR skill, Pickles is pretty bad at ITG. I think it was Pickles (but it might be some other no-bar DDR player) who uses the bar anyway on ITG. 90% no-bar is fucking insane. Maybe he could get low 80s. Maybe. |
Here's a quote from a few months ago:
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Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 2:50 pm Post subject: Reply with quote Report Post
(This is all x1 no-bar, as you could probably guess.)
Pandemonium was the first above-9-block I passed, though it was the only song I was even interested in playing. I went to Calgary in April 2005 and played it Final Stage each game until I passed it. It was months before I got another opportunity to play the game. In the summer of 2005 we took a road trip to Saskatoon, where I passed Euphoria with around 90%. The next month we came back and I got above 98% on Destiny and improved Pandemonium to the mid-high 80s. The others in between I'm not sure about the order, though I know I was playing Charlene a lot during that time.
Then we finally got a machine of our own in Winnipeg, and I started to pass a lot of songs I had never played or heard before. |
So Pickles has already achieved mid-high 80%'s (85-89) on pand 1x no bar last summer. I'm pretty sure he can get at least 93-94 by now.
I found it amusing how Soren mentioned he never saw Pickles enter a tournament and 8 hours later mentions one that he saw him at 
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J. S. Mill
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| 25. Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 3:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Kakuâ wrote: | | I found it amusing how Soren mentioned he never saw Pickles enter a tournament and 8 hours later mentions one that he saw him at |
When did I say either of those things? I said I had never seen Pickles in a tournament in person; this is true. I then said I had seen video of him playing in a tournament; this is also true.
I don't see why this (or anything you mention about his out-of-tournament scores) impacts any argument I have made on this thread.
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Kaku
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| 26. Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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I was saying how you stated
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It is not impossible for Pickles to be the superior tournament player, but having never seen him enter a tournament |
then when someone commented on that remark
| Søren Kierkegaard wrote: | | stqcb wrote: | | I know that you can't really judge because you've never actually seen him in a tournament |
Yes I have. He was at Jacob Javits.
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If you referred to seeing him in a video earlier on I apologize, but my statement was referring to your two most recent posts before mine.
Regarding the out-of-tournament scores, I was merely commenting on what Synesthesia said, not particularly the main topic.
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J. S. Mill
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| 27. Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 4:56 pm Post subject: |
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I don't understand what the problem is. I have seen him in a tournament, but I have never seen him enter a tournament; which is exactly what I said.
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| 28. Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 6:37 pm Post subject: |
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Edit: Actually, I think what I just said might have been stupid. But I think it's obvious that you were misleading Kiba, and that everyone understands what you meant now, so that last comment was unnecessary.
Oh, and BTW Pandemonium No bar is mega f'd up. If I could just pass it, It would move me up two slots in the rankings for ITG home versions. Maybe then I'd be motivated to try to get better on Euphoria and my 11s, and I could hit 97+ on my average.
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J. S. Mill
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| 29. Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 7:08 pm Post subject: |
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| -SuperZero3 Gold- wrote: | | But I think it's obvious that you were misleading Kiba |
I didn't mean to be.
| -SuperZero3 Gold- wrote: | | and that everyone understands what you meant now |
Good.
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| 30. Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 8:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Søren Kierkegaard wrote: | | TehWhack wrote: | | and he is better than him with the bar. |
Do you mean that he is better then Mike (no bar) with the bar, or better then he if both use the bar? The former is likely, the latter sounds very improbable. |
I meant when they both use the bar + mods, Pickles is better.
Ruckers (the arcade he goes to) got an ITG2 rather late and (last time I heard) was practicing for the World championship.
I know all of his scores on GS are #1 in the rankings which seems extremely sketchy because he's only imputted very little, but on DDRCanada he talked about how he gets an average of something like 4-5 quad stars every time he plays, which hints that he probably plays a lot, but makes it seem like he barely plays. |
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