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40. PostPosted: Thu May 25, 2006 4:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think july is the hardest. by Far.
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41. PostPosted: Thu May 25, 2006 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hands R' Us wrote:
Pandemonium may be tiring, but Monolith and Hardcore Symphony are harder overall because they are more technical


barely if at all.... none of them have any "odd" steps or rhythms, all three are just a bunch of 8th and 16th runs/bursts and jumps spread all over. I would say something is more noticibly "technical" in the case of Euphoria, Clockwork Genesis, Sweet World and V^2 for example, not Monolith or HS. Even so, just because something may be more technical doesn't mean it's harder. CG and V^2 hard are no doubt the most technical 11's, yet they aren't near the hardest, just tricky to score. Stamina drain is worse than technical difficulty imo, which is why I think V2 will be the first 13 I pass.

As for the crossovers, they only happen in 8th streams, which are the "resting points" of the songs, which Pande hard has the least of imo. Its just constant candlestepping runs and jumping all over the place without any respite.
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42. PostPosted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 12:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's true that some technical 11s are easier to pass. For example, VerTex² hard is much easier to beat than Pandemonium hard because you could BS the step-jumps and jump the gallops to beat it with a fair score. Pandemonium hard, on the other hand, is both a stamina killer and technical; it's basically like a 12 because I score about the same on it than the 12s. (Heck, I even scored better on Delirium expert.) Face it; Pandemonium hard is only a couple of seconds longer than Bloodrush, yet has 36 more steps. Ouch!
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43. PostPosted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 12:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd have to say....Monolith. It's just hard all around. Because my average score on the 11's is about...say...91%, but on monolith, i can only get around 85%'s. It's tiring, techincal, and fast.

Monolith for the win.
July comes 2nd,
& Pande Hard comes Third......



....Charlene Comes dead last.
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44. PostPosted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 7:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Attention! The song ! is going to be an 11 in ITG 3, so how do you people think it fits in with the rest of the 11's?

My list of 11 footers, easiest to hardest, including !, would be:

Charlene
Utopia
Robotix
Xuxa
Clockwork Genesis
Infection
Destiny
Mythology
Vertex^2
The Beginning
Monolith
Hardcore Symphony
!
Pandemonium Hard
July

Yeah, I changed my mind about a few songs, but I now honestly believe Monolith isn't as hard as everyone says it is. Sure, it's extremely fast, but the 16th streams never get long or complex. I find myself not having that much trouble with it.
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45. PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 7:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

#Infinity wrote:
Attention! The song ! is going to be an 11 in ITG 3, so how do you people think it fits in with the rest of the 11's?

My list of 11 footers, easiest to hardest, including !, would be:

Charlene
Utopia
Robotix
Xuxa
Clockwork Genesis
Infection
Destiny
Mythology
Vertex^2
The Beginning
Monolith
Hardcore Symphony
!
Pandemonium Hard
July

Yeah, I changed my mind about a few songs, but I now honestly believe Monolith isn't as hard as everyone says it is. Sure, it's extremely fast, but the 16th streams never get long or complex. I find myself not having that much trouble with it.


What are you smoking dude? Clockwork Genesis is the easiest song to BS. Now if we are talking about scoring wise, yes Clockwork Genesis is hard. Here is my list for passing-wise.

Passing-Wise:
Clockwork Genesis (Just BS it)
Robotix (only hard part is the speed up if you don't how to do it)
Utopia (Jumps are easy and can also be BSed)
Xuxa
Charlene (The mines stream are tricky. This song can go back to the top of the list AFTER you learn them and pass the damn song)
The Beginning (You people are joking. I suck and I think this is easy)
Destiny (It has like two hard streams. Nothing esle)
Infection
Mythology (only if you suck at crossovers)
Vertex^2
July (Just a bit tiring due to the 800 some steps. Patterns are easy)
Monolith
Hardcore Symphony
!
Pandemonium Hard
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46. PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 8:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm stuck between pandy hard, and moniloth. Pandy hard does not let up, and requires alot of stamina, and the ability to hit those longer streams. Im not sure how you can justify July as the hardest 11. While it does have alot of streams,they are pretty easy to hit, and you get a decent break in the middle .

Charlene
Robotix
Xuxa
Utopia
Clockwork Genesis
Infection
Mythology
Destiny
July
The Beginning
Hardcore Symphony
Vertex^2
Monolith
Pandy

This is my list, easiest to hardest. I still think Charlene is the easiest, but I find alot of other songs easier to Fa (Xuxa, Utopia, even July sometimes)
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47. PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 8:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

my list easiest to hardest, for what it's worth:

Xuxa
Charlene
Robotix
Mythology
Utopia
The Beginning
Monolith
Vertex^2
Clockwork Genesis
Infection
Destiny
Panda
July
Hardcore Symphony

i really don't see the big deal about Monolith. it's not hard at all.
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48. PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 3:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DDRdre wrote:
#Infinity wrote:
Attention! The song ! is going to be an 11 in ITG 3, so how do you people think it fits in with the rest of the 11's?

My list of 11 footers, easiest to hardest, including !, would be:

Charlene
Utopia
Robotix
Xuxa
Clockwork Genesis
Infection
Destiny
Mythology
Vertex^2
The Beginning
Monolith
Hardcore Symphony
!
Pandemonium Hard
July

Yeah, I changed my mind about a few songs, but I now honestly believe Monolith isn't as hard as everyone says it is. Sure, it's extremely fast, but the 16th streams never get long or complex. I find myself not having that much trouble with it.


What are you smoking dude? Clockwork Genesis is the easiest song to BS. Now if we are talking about scoring wise, yes Clockwork Genesis is hard. Here is my list for passing-wise.

Passing-Wise:
Clockwork Genesis (Just BS it)
Robotix (only hard part is the speed up if you don't how to do it)
Utopia (Jumps are easy and can also be BSed)
Xuxa
Charlene (The mines stream are tricky. This song can go back to the top of the list AFTER you learn them and pass the damn song)
The Beginning (You people are joking. I suck and I think this is easy)
Destiny (It has like two hard streams. Nothing esle)
Infection
Mythology (only if you suck at crossovers)
Vertex^2
July (Just a bit tiring due to the 800 some steps. Patterns are easy)
Monolith
Hardcore Symphony
!
Pandemonium Hard

1. I think you're the first person to say Clockwork Genesis is the easiest to pass. Most people view it as being one of the easier 11's, but still harder than Charlene, Utopia, Robotix, and Xuxa. Why? Because while it lacks long streams of 16ths, it's full of extremely confusing rhythms, jumps everywhere, and some "Tell-steps" (the 3-note 16th streams with a jump at the end) thrown in. Oh, and did I mention that it's also pretty fast? Sure, it's easy to pass, but it's still harder than stuff like Robotix.

2. How can you say Mythology is harder than The Beginning? Unlike Mythology, whose hardest area involves long-but-seperated 16th streams, The Beginning's death section not only requires plenty of turning, but is also a consistent stream throughout. Oh, and the rest of Mythology is so easy it isn't even funny. The Beginning, on the other hand, has plenty of mid-length 16th streams that try to wear you out before you get to the death section, so you should be more prepared to take on Mythology's ending rather than The Beginning's.

3. Based on your list, I think it's safe to say that you aren't very good at mines, seeing how you placed Charlene and Infection noticeably higher than usual.
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49. PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

#Infinity wrote:
DDRdre wrote:
#Infinity wrote:
Attention! The song ! is going to be an 11 in ITG 3, so how do you people think it fits in with the rest of the 11's?

My list of 11 footers, easiest to hardest, including !, would be:

Charlene
Utopia
Robotix
Xuxa
Clockwork Genesis
Infection
Destiny
Mythology
Vertex^2
The Beginning
Monolith
Hardcore Symphony
!
Pandemonium Hard
July

Yeah, I changed my mind about a few songs, but I now honestly believe Monolith isn't as hard as everyone says it is. Sure, it's extremely fast, but the 16th streams never get long or complex. I find myself not having that much trouble with it.


What are you smoking dude? Clockwork Genesis is the easiest song to BS. Now if we are talking about scoring wise, yes Clockwork Genesis is hard. Here is my list for passing-wise.

Passing-Wise:
Clockwork Genesis (Just BS it)
Robotix (only hard part is the speed up if you don't how to do it)
Utopia (Jumps are easy and can also be BSed)
Xuxa
Charlene (The mines stream are tricky. This song can go back to the top of the list AFTER you learn them and pass the damn song)
The Beginning (You people are joking. I suck and I think this is easy)
Destiny (It has like two hard streams. Nothing esle)
Infection
Mythology (only if you suck at crossovers)
Vertex^2
July (Just a bit tiring due to the 800 some steps. Patterns are easy)
Monolith
Hardcore Symphony
!
Pandemonium Hard

1. I think you're the first person to say Clockwork Genesis is the easiest to pass. Most people view it as being one of the easier 11's, but still harder than Charlene, Utopia, Robotix, and Xuxa. Why? Because while it lacks long streams of 16ths, it's full of extremely confusing rhythms, jumps everywhere, and some "Tell-steps" (the 3-note 16th streams with a jump at the end) thrown in. Oh, and did I mention that it's also pretty fast? Sure, it's easy to pass, but it's still harder than stuff like Robotix.

2. How can you say Mythology is harder than The Beginning? Unlike Mythology, whose hardest area involves long-but-seperated 16th streams, The Beginning's death section not only requires plenty of turning, but is also a consistent stream throughout. Oh, and the rest of Mythology is so easy it isn't even funny. The Beginning, on the other hand, has plenty of mid-length 16th streams that try to wear you out before you get to the death section, so you should be more prepared to take on Mythology's ending rather than The Beginning's.

3. Based on your list, I think it's safe to say that you aren't very good at mines, seeing how you placed Charlene and Infection noticeably higher than usual.


As I said, once you learn the mines of Charlene THEN it can go back to the top. I can easily pass it now. But truth be told, I am rather suckass on mines which is why I put Infection higher. I rarely play Mythology that much so that could explain my view

About the Clockwork and Robotix, they were my first 11s passed without bar. I started using the bar and passed other 11s. Mines are hard without bars aswell so that should explain why I suck at mines. Once I started to use the bar mines started to become easier since I could lift myself up.

I guess your point is better, I lose sweat.gif. Well, to each man his own...
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isaa.???? wrote:
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Have you ever played ITG?
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Well, it is strengths and weaknesses. The 2 hardest 11's for me are Mythology and The Beginning because I have no pad presence on crossovers. (in other words, I know when to crossover and do it, but my feet sometimes miss the arrow when they come down.)

I find Utopia easy to score, and I've played ITG.
I find July easier than Destiny because I'm not a fast jumper and I've played ITG.

So, I think a lot of people should just chill. Not everyone progresses at the same rate or in the same way. I could pass Vertex long before Disconnected -Hyper-, could you?
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Monolith R1.
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For me, its all about stamina that determines how dificIult a song is. The "technical" factor just factors in to how much stamina i have to use to beat the song.

July
Hardcore Symphony
Pandemonium Hard for #1, seriously, I beat four 12's before I beat this monster, and I still get exhausted after I pass it.

July is so much more less tiring than Pandemonium, how can someone say it's harder? Sure its faster, but all the steps are very straightforward, you almost never have to shift your torso during the song, whereas Pandemonium hard makes fell like I'm doing the Twist.
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Other than the runs, Hardcore Symphony isn't that bad. On a sightread, I passed it while I was recovering from the flu. It's not all that bad. I can't really contribute that much, since I passed all the 11's on sightreads. But, I'll have to say that July is the toughest. Lots of candles at that speed along with some 12ths into jumps is both tough to score and pass. There's my 2 cents E1.gif
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When you say "I passed all the 11's on sightreads," you mean that all the 11s you passed were sightread, or that you passed all of the 11s sightreading? Because I don't see how you're getting that July is harder than Pandemonium HD. Pandy might have fewer candles (I forget) but it's much more unrelenting than July. The 1/12 note section is mostly rest, as long as you don't get lazy.
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58. PostPosted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 8:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll be more specific. When I got the home version, I went through and played all the 11's and 12's before playing on the controller. I was then able to pass all of the 11's the first time I saw them. (I also passed Tell expert on a sightread this way shocked.gif )This isn't quite true for the ITG2 11's. I saw almost all of them on SM first, but I passed them all on my first try on foot. Now that I think about it, I have to rank July and Pandy at the top for the hardest 11's.
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KingofLight06 wrote:
Other than the runs, Hardcore Symphony isn't that bad.


The runs are the easiest part of the song.
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