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CF's-Are they really worth it?
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20. PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2006 9:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

CF doesnt sell an Xbox or PC control box. You can try an adapter or build your own.
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21. PostPosted: Thu May 25, 2006 6:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

See this is exactly the kind of crap I am talking about with the 'mandatory' mods. Everyone says 'get the arcade kit' for your CF. Well that thing costs money (and CF is laughing all the way to the bank). You can build/buy a control box/converter - more money. You can even build a bar to go with the CF - now Home Depot makes money. People are buying them because its all you can get - there is no other option. This doesn't mean that a company can't come along and offer a complete dance pad for a reasonable price. Just because 'people are buying it' doesn't mean the price is right. Look at the idiots who paid $200 for DDR MArio on ebay because they thought Nintendo wouldn't make any more copies. Is that worth $200? - people bought it right? My point is these pads aren't worth it unless you have a lot of money and need a pad. If you are in a saving your money situation then it would be better to wait and see what comes along because neither the CF nor GXG is a good deal.
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22. PostPosted: Thu May 25, 2006 6:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Imho you can wait as long as you want to and it won't get any better. Dance games are just not popular enough for dance pad makers to have some competition, which would help quality and prices. The CF series and all the other famous pads (e.g. TX) have been out for years and almost nothing has changed.
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23. PostPosted: Thu May 25, 2006 8:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wakka Lakka wrote:
See this is exactly the kind of crap I am talking about with the 'mandatory' mods. Everyone says 'get the arcade kit' for your CF.

You don't have to get the arcade mod. You can get used to it - iamchris4life seems to have had no problem AAAing Max. (period), PSMO, et al on a non-modded CF. My cousins have two CFs without arcade mods, and they don't mind at all.

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Just because 'people are buying it' doesn't mean the price is right. Look at the idiots who paid $200 for DDR MArio on ebay because they thought Nintendo wouldn't make any more copies. Is that worth $200? - people bought it right?

At the time, it was indeed worth $200. The fact that it cost considerably less to make is irrelevant. If it wasn't worth $200, nobody would have bought it.

Look at it this way - if CF was charging too much for their pads, nobody would buy them. And if CF was raking in HUGE profits by selling CFs for a LOT more than they cost to make, other companies would want some of that. Thus, there would be plenty of other companies offering dance pads of equal quality but at a lower price. But no such companies exist.
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24. PostPosted: Thu May 25, 2006 9:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

AA Bob wrote:
Look at it this way - if CF was charging too much for their pads, nobody would buy them. And if CF was raking in HUGE profits by selling CFs for a LOT more than they cost to make, other companies would want some of that. Thus, there would be plenty of other companies offering dance pads of equal quality but at a lower price. But no such companies exist.


Not necessarily. The dance pad market isn't exactly booming. It's not really worth a companies time to invest in producing dance pads when the profit would be minimal. That's why a lot of companies such as RedOctane, MyMyBox, etc. have a bad rep, because they produce average quality, overpriced pads so they can compensate for the time they put into producing them.

Pretty much the only reason people buy CF's is because of the durability. They have the best reputation, and produce a quality product. But in comparison to what? Other companies don't put the same effort into construction as CF does. But for that same reason, CF can charge pretty much whatever they want for their pads. If they were to start selling their pads for $399.99, people would still probably buy them. Does that make it any more worth the cost? Not really. IMO, CF's aren't worth the price tag stuck on to them. After taxes, shipping, and additionals to get the optimal expericne such as the arcade mod, new control box, whatever, you're looking at around a $550-$600 price tag for something you can build yourself for less than $200. Not to mention in the time it takes to build/ship; you could DIY in less than a week. Really the extra cash is what you're paying to be lazy.
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25. PostPosted: Thu May 25, 2006 11:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

psisar wrote:
Not necessarily. The dance pad market isn't exactly booming. It's not really worth a companies time to invest in producing dance pads when the profit would be minimal. That's why a lot of companies such as RedOctane, MyMyBox, etc. have a bad rep, because they produce average quality, overpriced pads so they can compensate for the time they put into producing them.

Wouldn't it be much more profitable for a company to make high-quality pads and sell them for less than $300? They'd quickly earn a good reputation and get a lot of business that would otherwise have gone to other companies, including CF. Hell, if I was looking to start a business, I'd consider doing something like that. The fact that CF Inc. exists shows that there is a market for durable, expensive pads.

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If they were to start selling their pads for $399.99, people would still probably buy them.

Heh, I don't know about that. If they were that much, I probably would've bought one, but certainly not two. They'd probably sell considerably fewer at that price.

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IMO, CF's aren't worth the price tag stuck on to them. After taxes, shipping, and additionals to get the optimal expericne such as the arcade mod, new control box, whatever, you're looking at around a $550-$600 price tag for something you can build yourself for less than $200. Not to mention in the time it takes to build/ship; you could DIY in less than a week. Really the extra cash is what you're paying to be lazy.

Not just laziness, but many people would rather just pay the 300+ bucks and not have to worry about trying to build a pad and screwing something up.

I guess I just get sick of hearing people complain about how overpriced the CF is, how it's not worth it, etc., when the fact is that it's a damn good pad and there are a lot of people willing to shell out a lot of money for it. If you think it's too much, fine, build your own, but you can't ignore the fact that plenty of people would rather just spend the extra money to get a CF.
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26. PostPosted: Sat May 27, 2006 1:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

by definition, something being worth X amount is that people are willing to pay it. Regardless of what people who *don't* feel it's worth it, there are others who do. Any 1 thing is only worth the amount someone will pay. So by that definition CF's are worth the money (to those who buy it) because people buy them. Does that mean it's worth it to *you*? probably not. Worth is defined person to person. It's not universal. So, as a result you can only say something is worth the amount to *you* and no one else. It's not up for any 1 person to decide if something is worth it to someone else.

With that out of the way...

After getting my Cobalt Flux from a friend I am on the fence of it being worth the full price. It's very very accurate and well put together. After seeing the simplicity of the design I can safely say I could accurately recreate the design and quality within a month or 2 and spend quite a bit less on it. Would I? no, probably not. I would most likely say "Yaknow what? I can spend the extra money and have one way sooner". Money is replenishable so I would be content with that. Materials and design are what make me think otherwise of it being worth the price for me. Actual quality? Yeah, damn right it's worth that much money for me. I'm definitely gonna need the arcade mod though E1.gif I'm so used to arcade play I get lost quite easily at home.
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27. PostPosted: Sat May 27, 2006 10:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

without the Arcade mod, is it bad or something? like, is it not accurate or what?
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28. PostPosted: Sat May 27, 2006 10:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's still accurate without the arcade mod, you just won't be able to "feel" where you are too well from what I've been reading.
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29. PostPosted: Mon May 29, 2006 11:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You would simply not have the same feeling as playing at the arcade. Actually, I'd like that, cause I wouldn't have to lift my feet as much.

The CF's seem less and less worth it every day. Just build your own. Even n00bs do that, and they seem to have good luck in doing that.
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30. PostPosted: Wed May 31, 2006 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't play at the arcade much at all, never have. So the arcade mod is not necessary.

The CF dance pad is never going to be 550-600 no matter how many mods you have on it, end of story. That's absolutely ridiculous. I bought a doubles pack the first summer it came out and the total price, with shipping, was $620. I've looked - the prices haven't doubled.

CF pads cost so much because each pad is made upon order. The work isn't outsourced to some third-world country and the employees at CF can guarantee the quality of the pad that they are making for you, and only you.

As for making your own pad, I'm pretty sure that it's not easy to do without some technical knowhow. I personally couldn't do it. I could learn, but I would rather use my efforts to make money to pay for a pad than to learn how to build a pad myself. Sorry if I'm a "lazy" consumer.

As for the CF moving around, mine did - because it was on friggin shag carpeting!. Even then I didn't mind. Or perhaps you could do the "necessary mod" of buying more rubber strips - I've never tried it on hard wood.

All in all, get it if you think you'll keep playing.
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