other time signatures in DDR

Resolute · Trick Member Joined: 30 May 2005

you know what would be sweet? if some songs in DDR were in like, 3/4 or 7/13 or other odd time sigs.

it would add new challenges and fun and exciting adventures!

they might have to reconstruct the game engne, but if they do it right, itll be worth it.

think of it....a song such as afronova or one like it in a different time.

Barbaloot · Trick Member Joined: 31 May 2005

the Cutie Chasers are in 3/4, and the first half of Holic is 7/8
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Asymptote · Trick Member Joined: 07 Feb 2006 Location: Alloway, NY

I would say that 6/4 more accurately fits the Cutie Chasers.

3/4 is hardly an odd signature though. also, as far as I know, 7/13 does not exist in anything, and with good reason.

nothing in the game engine would have to be redesigned just for songs with different time signatures. the only thing that would come up wrong would be the measures in the edit mode, which are always in 4/4 but that doesn't affect the sound of the song at all.
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uouuÉ · Trick Member Joined: 10 Jun 2004

7/13 doesn't even make sense. What, are there 7 13th notes per measure or something?
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Synaesthesia · Posted: Tue May 02, 2006 2:26 am Post subject:

DDR can't even do 4/4 timing right. Why would you want it to even try to do anything else?
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Asymptote · Trick Member Joined: 07 Feb 2006 Location: Alloway, NY

The switch from say 4/4 to 3/4 has NOTHING to do with the DDR game engine, which does "do" 4/4 right (the only thing it cant do are triplet notes exactly, i don't see how that can be stretched out to not being able to "do" a time signature, which in the end doesn't have anything to do with the engine), it only has to do with how the song sounds. Holic being in 7/4, Cutie Chaser in 6/4, the engine is set up no differently for those songs, the only difference is in the way they sound. That's what a time signature is for, to help composers. Technically they could all be represented by 4/4, 2/2, or whatever, but that would be retarded. A correct time signature is all about what appears to fit the music the most accurately for the sake of composing/conducting.
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DJBon2112 · Posted: Tue May 02, 2006 1:23 pm Post subject:

Holic - 7/8
Several songs - 3/4
bag - 12/8
Burning Heat - 12/8
Tsugaru (at the galops) - 12/8

And 7/13 can not exist. WTF is a 13th note?
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Synaesthesia · Posted: Tue May 02, 2006 1:43 pm Post subject:

I mean that if I wanted to put a 1/24 kickroll in Kiss Me All Night I definitely could not. If it can't do that, why would I want it to try to do something in a non-N/4 signature?
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Razor LOL · Trick Member Joined: 04 Oct 2005 Location: Clarksville, MD

Drem Theater (the band) uses very odd time signatures (ex. 5/7 or 7/9) that are counted as 1-2-3-4-5-1-2 1-2-3-4-5-1-2 (for 7/9) and 1-2-3-1-2 1-2-3-1-2.

So yes, wierd time signatures do exist.
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DJBon2112 · Posted: Tue May 02, 2006 2:18 pm Post subject:

5/7? 7/9? You people need to learn some music theory... there's no such thing as 7th or 9th notes. You have 2, 4, 8, 12, 16, 24, 32, etc.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_signature

Dream Theater tends to use 5/8, 7/8 9/8 and others.
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IHYD.DukAmok · Trick Member Joined: 10 Dec 2003 Location: Corona, CA

just because they dont teach you about "13th notes" in music theory doesnt mean they dont exist.

what is a fourth note anyway? its just a fourth of a measure. a measure, depending on the tempo, has a set time in which it elapses. thus, its relatively easy to find a quarter of that certain time.

why would it be any different to find a 13th of that given time? its just measure time / 13. of course, thats hard as hell to do by ear without some sort of assistance, but espescially given the "electronic" nature of most of DDR's music, its not exactly hard to envision them in music.

but all that aside, they would most likely sound horrible in almost every context, or at least out of place. doesnt mean they dont exist though.

and dream theater does and has used 7/9, 5/7, and probably everything else under the rainbow as well. theyre incredibly talented at that sort of thing. so is tool (or so ive heard, i havent heard a lot of them yet)
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just to answer, if someone who stands next to you watching you play PSMO but you get a D on it, versus somebody who understands perfect attacking and stuff, will think you suck. A player is considered good in my opinion when a player of a higher level comments about you or see's you triple A a song. Or if somebody looks up to you. Hope it clarifies.

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Synaesthesia · Posted: Tue May 02, 2006 9:33 pm Post subject:

IHYD.DukAmok · Trick Member Joined: 10 Dec 2003 Location: Corona, CA

yeah i called them sixteenth note triplets too until i figured out that 24th is just so much more concise to say

and oops, been a while since any music class, sorry if i said some stuff wrong.

just as long as the main point gets across. they exist, but like you said, they need some sort of reference to still stay relevant.

and on dream theater, i basically just assume that they play in every single time signature imaginable. seriously sometimes it just changes so much. probably not 7/9, but still some very uncommon ones, which is what i was trying to say with some poorly placed sarcasm.
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just to answer, if someone who stands next to you watching you play PSMO but you get a D on it, versus somebody who understands perfect attacking and stuff, will think you suck. A player is considered good in my opinion when a player of a higher level comments about you or see's you triple A a song. Or if somebody looks up to you. Hope it clarifies.

Tyrgannus · Posted: Tue May 02, 2006 10:18 pm Post subject:

Before I get started, I must say that just because a time sgnature or rhythm is extremely uncommon, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. The Lassan movement of Franz Liszt's Hungarion Rhapsody No.2 in C# minor has both 20th notes and 40th notes in some areas along with (get this) 11th notes. If you think 13ths are weird, then listen to a song that actually has those.

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wschmrdr · Trick Member Joined: 30 Jun 2005 Location: Central NY

The reason you can sometimes hear 7th and 5th notes is because there are such things as quintuplets, heptuplets, nontuplets, etc. These traditionally, though, are used for scale runs and with the exception of some quintuplets, aren't found in most music.

The traditional time signatures, though, have a two power. Lesson for y'all, get out the notebooks, there'll be a test on this next Friday:

The top number in a time signature signifies how many beats there are in a measure. This can be pretty much anything you want. Your common 2, 3, 4, 6, etc. for your symmetric meters, 7, 11, etc. for your asymmetric ones.

The bottom number in a time signature denotes what type of note gets "the beat". With a 4, the quarter note gets the beat. With a 2, the half note gets the beat. Etc, etc.

I understand some concerns over 13 being in the bottom, simply because it may fit the phrasology of the song. In the traditional understood musical score system, the notes are divided into powers of two, hence why the bottom number is a power of two.

Now for the argument part:

Tsugaru, Cow Girl, In the Navy, and such songs are not in 12/8. The rhythms used in these songs' gallop portions are strictly dotted-eighth and sixteenth note. The only songs which could be argued for the 12/8 mold with a gallop-like pattern are Heaven is a '57 Metallic Grey (which is a swung 8th note, treated like a triplet quarter-eighth) and Hysteria, which is the same thing, however the steps IMO are poorly written.