The Official ITG "RANT!" Thread!

[0rion]

A short rant, but a rant, nonetheless.

You're a better player if you play songs without speed mods. I don't think you should get any special bonuses for playing without speed mods, nor do I think players that use speed mods should be penalized. But it's more important to get 96+ on a difficult song with no mods than it is WITH mods.

It's a lost art, and vastly underrated. Not because it doesn't take talent. Quite the contrary, it takes a LOT of talent. But because it's popular to use speed mods, and therefore people naturally assume that reading at a "comfortable" speed doesn't take less skill than reading at an "uncomfortable" one. However, someone that can read at any speed is just that much more versatile than someone who can only read speeds in excess of 200bpm.

So, my point is this: don't look down your nose at some guy failing Delirium Expert because the death run is too hard for him to read at 1x. It's a very difficult mountain to climb, and I think that they deserve support and accolades for attempting the road less travelled.

That felt better. Thanks for letting me get that off my chest.
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[IHYD.Tiza]

[Phantasm]

[0rion]

I expected someone might [edit] give me crap [/give] regarding that, but I think it's better if I leave the subject alone in the interest of preserving this topic.

Professor X's one weakness? STAIRS!
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[IHYD.Tiza]

1st- that wasn't a flame. Just because I said "you gotta be kidding me" at the beginnign of presenting an argument doesn't mean it was an attack.

2nd- the whole premise of this thread seems stupid and pointless to me. If you want to argue with me about the validity of using speed mods, go right ahead. This thread is dumb. Make a "speed mods are cheating/easier/whatever" thread if you want, and we can debate more (although I'm not inclined to coming to this board much).

3rd- I didn't get angry with him for not liking speed mods. I got angry for suggest that he's a better player for having a different opinion.
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[0rion]

Alright. So I was being a little loose with the term "flame." I guess I sounded more defensive than I meant to. Sorry 'bout that.
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-Sir "O"
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[IHYD.Blake]

4th: this is ITG not DDR. Get over it fatsos
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[0rion]

I am awed at the thought and concessions that were brought to the table with that enlightened and varied post. The world is in your debt.

Actually, I changed my mind. This is a rant thread, so I'm going to rant.

Tiza, there's more to In The Groove (and DDR, for that matter) than stepping on arrows. If there wasn't, then you'd be just as good turning the machine off and stepping on the arrows to the music on the radio. Reading is most CERTAINLY part of playing the game. Anyone that doesn't acknowledge that is taking a very, very limited perspective on what the game has to offer.

Tell me this: if being able to read arrows is NOT part of the game, then why do they have scripted modifiers during most of the Marathon and Survival mode courses? After all, if it doesn't take any special talent to be able to read arrows, then everyone and their uncle could simply walk in and 4-star Driven Intense. If reading arrows had nothing to do with the game, then we'd all be meticulously memorizing stepcharts and playing everything on Stealth.

And the fact remains that, if you can sound high and mighty because modders get better scores, than WE can sound high and mighty because we're not so visciously crippled when our precious Cel-skin 2.5x is taken away from us. THAT is my point.

And furthermore, I can and did acknowledge that playing with speed mods is a legitimate way to play the game. So, why can't you let fair be fair and admit that being able to read without them is an added challenge and people that are willing and able to take up such a challenge should be commended?

Why? I'll tell you why: because you're so stuck in your ways that you can't acknowledge that there are other ways of playing dancing games than yours. Does that sound familiar? It should. That is EXACTLY what was wrong with the 1x players of three years ago, who wouldn't acknowledge speed mod users as the new generation of music gamers. You're no better than any of them were. Not one single iota.

So, to sum up, reading at 1x is a talent in a game that allows for SEVERAL talents; not just the talent of stepping on arrows.
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[Tyrgannus]

On light of that happy note......

Saxaphone.

Now all I need to do is say "saxaphone" in every single one of my posts and *** Vertex

Oh wait, someone already did that with Dukamok. Damn you Ryan and your nonsensical slogan.
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[0rion]

Saxaphone? SAXAPHONE!?

The Baritone Horn is the best instrument, you jerk!

I KILL YOU!!! BLAAAAAAARRRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHH!


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[mydixiewrecked]

You know what's gay? Speed mods. Like everyone who uses them. Goddamn faggots and assholes and homos and fags. Holy shit, I mean SRSLY GAIZ. Like so gay.

[0rion]

Way to completely misinterpret what I said, Baggage. Your maturity and ability to listen to another person's point of view is outstanding.

Point 1: If I can only get 90% on 1x and you get 96% on 2x, you are indeed better than me. I concede that with no argument.

Point 2: If I can pass a song on 1x and you can't, I'm better than you at reading. It has no direct bearing on the game in any competitive setting, but it still holds true as a self-evident fact.

Point 3: If I get the same score and I'm playing on 1x, while you're playing on 2.5x, I've exhibited a greater talent for reading during the song than you, and therefore I'm better than you.

What part about that is so difficult for you to concede?
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[mydixiewrecked]

[0rion]

I'll take your word for it. I just get a little touchy when a point of view (specifically mine ) is disregarded without consideration for its own substance. I know - that's a good reason NOT to post on a message board, but I still like doing it!
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[Thomas Hobbes]

I'm going to rant too.

I hate people who wear sneakers or shoes or any other type of footwear. That's cheating.

ITG3 needs a sensor that detects whether you are barefoot or not. If you are not barefoot, it should DQ you from scoring on the scoreboard.
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[0rion]

I think all of the men need to play in steel-toed boots and plate mail armor.

Not for scoring purposes, but because it'd look awesome!
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-Sir "O"
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[IHYD.Tiza]

If reading 1x is a skill (which I never said it wasn't), then so is reading 6x. There are guys who can hack out songs while reading the arrows at keyboard speeds.

Does either skill make you a better ITG player? Not in the sense I think of it, the sense that wins tournaments. Yes, you're good at a gimmick. That's cool. Have fun playing the way you want to play. However, you don't see Windeu using six mods at once in tournaments and arguing that he should win every song.

Yes, reading is a skill. Reading is not the point of the game. The point of the game is to hit the arrows on the beat (or as close to the beat as the designers care to sync it ).

You're just so set in your ways that you think that you're better than anyone who disagrees with you.

Oh wait.
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[Boochypa]

Speed mods are a preference. If you want a mod challenge, go play marathon or survival. There's no point in dance mode.

Different people like different speeds. 1x is in the game because some people might be more comfortable reading certain songs at 1x. 6x is in the game for the same reason. You pick the speed you're most comfortable with (be it 1x, C450, or 6x) and play. If you consciously handicap yourself and get worse scores by playing at a speed you're less comfortable with, then you're just being dumb and shouldn't expect to impress anyone.
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[0rion]

I'll have to come clean with you, Tiza. I was mostly just goading you guys along because I wanted to kill some time here. I hope you didn't take any of the things I said personally. I was really just looking for an excuse to argue for awhile.

I still believe that reading 1x is admirable - and, for that matter, so is reading 6x - but I don't really believe it's anything to get hot under the collar about. Speed mods, no speed mods... who really gives a crap, right? We all have fun in the end.

Put 'er there.

...No, really. Put 'er there.

Come on! You're embarrassing me!

Alright, FINE! I'll wash my hands! SHEESH!
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