Why DDR can be considered a sport

GNOME_300 · Trick Member Joined: 30 Jul 2005 Location: Holly Michigan

After reading some people comments here made me realize something. You can say that once you AAA everything in the game or 100% everything in Itg there is no room for expantion.

But if you look at bowling for instance. You could say once you practice for years and learn how to bowl a perfect 300 every time you bowl couldn't you state there would from there on be no room for expantion? And yet, bowling is considered a sport by many people.

Just my 2 cents....

elementis0 · Trick Member Joined: 01 Nov 2004

Heres a reason why it cant be a sport, unlike the other activites DDR can be mastered by a pretty well fit person in a mattere of YEARS People can master DDR but not many other sports can they? DDR is too limited all you need is the skill they require to ask your not one-upping the other person your winning against the machine. Scores are limited. And the sport can never get harder as others get better because the machine limits you to what you have to do and never gets harder as the people get better. Itll just get mastered and everybody will have 100% marvelous/perfects and most of the battles would just be boring draws.And bowling is a lot harder to master than DDR
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OniNeko · Trick Member Joined: 06 Sep 2002 Location: Montreal, Qc

Wow Slowpoke! That's... like... exactly what I was going to say! :)

Btw, even if it's not revelent as what is a sport, elementis0, you REALLY think that one day most ppl will be able to AAA or **** EVERY SINGLE SONG they will have to play in a tournament? REALLY? Unless you have another opinion on what Mastering the game is? If so, tell us!

On what ground exactly do you think so? As of today, no "Perfect Results", as described above, have ever been recorded for DDR or ITG. Even in the ITG North-American Tourney, the best was 1 excellent on a SINGLE song. It's a really great score, but it's not ... perfect!

Nadia Comaneci got a score of 10.0 in gymnstics in the summer olympics games of 1976! Yeah, 30 years ago, she got a PERFECT performance. Is everyone now earning 10.0 in gymnastics?

Torvill and Dean also got a perfect score of 6.0 in the 1984 Winter Olympics... I'm pretty sure that everyone's now earning perfect score in that sport too! ;)

Seem's like other ppl had the chance to master some other sport, but, it never hapenned! Why would it happen with something like DDR or ITG?

Oh, and someone pointed that Bowling is regarded as a sport by some, and "something else" by others. Do you know WHY? The main concern is Bowling doesn't imply to be in good shape to be a professional player. A sport, by definition, imply some physical activity. Be sure that you must be in shape (and in really good one) to even DREAM to get a 100% on something like Pandemonium, Determinator or Euphoria. Anyway, this thread is not about Bowling! ;)

Oh, and one last thing, OMGWTFDIE : DDR stopped being popular about a year ago, you say? Really? DDR in arcades, maybe, but stomping games as a whole (DDR, ITG, Arcade and home), I'm really not sure about that ... Any numbers to confirm this? One way or another? Or you're simply trying to extrapolate what's happening in your local arcade community to the world... or repeating what you heard on this really realiable board? ;)

Anyway, just like lemurboy said, it seem's like you finally accepted stomping games as a sport! :)

Dakota · Trick Member Joined: 28 Feb 2006

Ugh, once again...

TECHNICALLY, BY DEFINITON!!!, yes, DDR can be considered a sport. But so can competitve coloring. Hell, so can competitive blinking, spitting, and groin scratching. It sounds stupid I know, and you can argue all you want against em, but them to, by basic definition, can be considered sports. Opinions on whether it's really physical exertion or difficult don't mean jack against basic definition.

So we've already determined that it can a sport by definition. But will the world recognize it as a sport? Hell no, at least not any time soon. And the only possible way didder could be concieved a true sport is if Konami tweaked the game around to make it more sport oriented. I'd love to see DDR become this huge global sport phenom where the best players in the world do televised tournaments for cash prizes...but I just don't see it happening.
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Angel_With_Healing_Vision · Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 10:06 am Post subject:

Dakota · Trick Member Joined: 28 Feb 2006

another reason is because there already is Dancing...and DDR is basically just a restrictive for of it.
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P-Chan · Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 1:01 pm Post subject:

chess is a sport... it doesn't involve any physical activity, so it goes against your definition of a sport

you can have competitions on whatever you want... as radical as the samples from OMGWTFDIE are, they're correct

competitiveness doesn't imply a sport... physical activity doesn't imply it either
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Z.ack · Trick Member Joined: 17 Jan 2006 Location: Michigan

Well maybe they can make like 30 footers and a random arrow option?
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Synaesthesia · Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 2:08 pm Post subject:

Or you could play something like ITG or PIU, since they actually sponsor large tournaments for that.
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wschmrdr · Trick Member Joined: 30 Jun 2005 Location: Central NY

This is REALLY entertaining...... I think we should nominate all this post for like an Emmy or something.

DDR is still popular in the Albany NY area. Only one ITG2 machine, and it's not even played that much.

As for whether or not it's a sport, if you're going by what is shown on ESPN, then the spelling bee and Scrabble are sports. Honestly, I see both sides of the argument and where you're going, and frankly, I'm just gonna go play some more DDR, regardless of whether or not it's a sport.

Rahzel · Trick Member Joined: 18 Dec 2004 Location: Urbana, IL

The programming that is shown on ESPN isn't a good measure of what is and isn't a sport. ESPN stands for "Entertainment and Sports Programming Network," and one could argue that activities that are shown on ESPN such as spelling bees, poker, chess, etc. fall more into the "entertainment" category than the sports category.

The definition of sport is entirely subjective. The only point worth arguing over is, as OMGWTFDIE pointed out, whether or not the general population will bake the subjective decision to accept dancing games as a sport.
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Ryu_Hirakashi · Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 12:49 am Post subject:

Slowpoke, I see you're up to your old tricks once again. Brilliant points have come from all sides of this debate.

As far as I can see it, the only reason DDR isn't a sport is because it's not official. If DDR ever became a sport here, Konami could just redesign a new series to reflect it and use some sort of network option to to tweek for content and for ranking purposes.

It all seems very interesting in my mind, but without the popularity and support of the older generation, it will never happen. Most of the people that have the power to make this happen would never accept it either.

Keep this rather interesting debate up.

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P-Chan · Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 9:24 am Post subject:

sports are not products

you see... football is not sold under a trademark of "football", nor basketball, nor soccer, nor diving... none of those are products, they're just a bunch of rules to do such activities

DDR on the other hand is a product, it's a trademark, it has copyrights, you need to BUY DDR in order to play it, not an instrument to play it, like a ball, but you need to buy either a copy of the game for a home console or a token to play on an arcade (or use quarters)

sports on the other hand, as they're only a set of rules, you don't have to buy them... maybe you'll need a ball or some kind of equipment to play it, but you won't buy the sport itself... you can even play some sports without the "official" ways to do it... I remember when I was on school we used to play soccer with a plastic bottle
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OniNeko · Trick Member Joined: 06 Sep 2002 Location: Montreal, Qc

Wow... okay... where do I start?

First, Slowpoke, Wow! I think we share the exact same way to think, at least, about DDR/Stomping games! :)

So, first, as Slowpoke said, the cabinet is the "equipment". The only big difference between "common" sports and DDR is that it's way to evaluate performance NEED a computer. No human can calculate the timing of each steps... no way! :) As for price, indeed, many sports cost around, or even much more than a DDR Cabinet. Anyway, you don't really need one as the any computer device can be programmed to handle input and output! :P

Okay, I'll go ahead of you guys this time...