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gerinis
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40.  Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 4:03 pm Post subject: |
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| dj ryc3 wrote: | | DDR is a video game and nothing more. It doesn't give you a full scholarship to play at one the top college teams. |
Soccer started out as just a game. Now they give full sholarships for being awesome at it.
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| 41. Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 4:22 pm Post subject: |
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Except soccer has been around much longer and can be played with very minimal materials (i.e., a ball. Everything else can be improvised).
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| 42. Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 4:37 pm Post subject: |
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ok, im gonna leave the debating for a moment to ask something:
why are some of you so adamant against DDR even being remotely considered a sport?
and yes i realize someone will probably pose the question of why we consider it a sport. and my answer is because it fits the definition of a sport and bevcause it is much more physical than some sports. |
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| 43. Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 4:57 pm Post subject: |
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why isn´t dancing a sport? it´s much more physical than many sports
please don´t turn my comment on ddr being an art!
it sure takes stamina, practice and some kind of talent... but so do many other activities and they don´t become a sport
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gerinis
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| 44. Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 5:23 pm Post subject: |
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| lemurboy wrote: | | why are some of you so adamant against DDR even being remotely |
Just trying to win an argument, for some of us. Maybe the rest of us just want to romantasize about being able to play DDR for money or glory.
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| 45. Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 10:59 am Post subject: |
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it would be kinda interesting to see DDr go as a sport people from different countries play in the olympics to see who the best is and try to pass remakes of songs without ever hearing them before so in truth ddr can never truly be mastered unless you create a song with 1/64th steps going at 300 bpm then that would be hard
it would be nice for a whikle but i just dont see it going anywhere unless ALOT more people played it
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| 46. Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 12:42 pm Post subject: |
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Not that it matters at all, but just for the sake of debating:
a sport is defined as "An activity involving physical exertion and skill that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often undertaken competitively."
Sounds like DDR to me.
| P-Chan wrote: | | why isn´t dancing a sport? it´s much more physical than many sports |
I'd say because the competitive aspect isn't there. Sure, there are ballroom dancing competitions and the like, but the vast majority of dancing is done purely as recreation. No one is keeping score. On the other hand, except for people who shadow, DDR is always scored and usually involves competing against another person or a score goal.
| gerinis wrote: | | Soccer started out as just a game. Now they give full sholarships for being awesome at it. |
Soccer was a sport from the day it was invented. How long something exists has nothing to do with whether or not it's a sport.
| dj ryc3 wrote: | | DDR is a video game and nothing more. It doesn't give you a full scholarship to play at one the top college teams. |
Most of the sports you see in the Olympics aren't going to give you a free ticket to college either. Whether or not schools offer scholarships has nothing to do with whether or not something is a sport.
| gerinis wrote: | | But he raises a good point. I guess what is considered a sport also depends on if it has a large enough fan base. |
No, that has nothing to do with the definition of sport either. No one ever went to Montreal Expo games before the moved to D.C., but that doesn't mean they weren't playing a sport.
| OMGWTFDIE wrote: | | Couldn't speed typing qualify it to be a sport? When I work landscaping, it required great endurance and physical strength, and it worked up a great sweat. Couldn't competitive landscaping be considered a sport? |
Not really, because it's a contrivance trying to add a competitive aspect to those kinds of activities. On the other hand, because DDR is scored, the competitive aspect is integral. |
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| 47. Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 1:04 pm Post subject: |
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If the idea is competition DDR can't be a sport. ITG might have a shot.
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| 48. Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 1:05 pm Post subject: |
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[quote ="Slowpoke"] | gerinis wrote: | | Soccer started out as just a game. Now they give full sholarships for being awesome at it. |
Soccer was a sport from the day it was invented. How long something exists has nothing to do with whether or not it's a sport.[/quote]
What I meant is that soccer started off with some people just kicking a ball around out of bordem and then they said "Hey, we should show other's this" and you can guess where I'm going.
| gerinis wrote: | | But he raises a good point. I guess what is considered a sport also depends on if it has a large enough fan base. |
No, that has nothing to do with the definition of sport either. No one ever went to Montreal Expo games before the moved to D.C., but that doesn't mean they weren't playing a sport.
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I don't mean team support. By fan base, I mean if enough people accept it as a sport, then it would become a sport.
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| 49. Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 3:24 pm Post subject: |
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| gerinis wrote: | | I don't mean team support. By fan base, I mean if enough people accept it as a sport, then it would become a sport. |
"Acceptance" is not part of the definition of a sport. The Montreal Expo analogy was halfway meant as a joke, but if you want a more serious analogy, take something like curling. Outside of the olympics, how many people do you think went to curling matches in the past year, not counting people who had to be there because their family was playing? |
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| 50. Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 9:04 pm Post subject: |
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The conclusion for this has been discussed before.
By definition, DDR is already a sport. However, it is not a registered sport in anywhere, but Norway. |
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| 51. Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 7:51 am Post subject: |
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what about pad misses
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| 52. Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 7:52 am Post subject: |
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| OMGWTFDIE wrote: | | what about pad misses |
What about them? |
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| 53. Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 12:07 pm Post subject: |
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Ppl are the same everywhere! They are arguing about things and don't really know what they are talking about...
So, for the second time, WHAT EXACTLY IS A SPORT?
Let's go see on Wikipedia for fun...
| Wikipedia wrote: | A sport consists of a physical and mentally competitive activity carried out with a recreational purpose for competition, for self-enjoyment, to attain excellence, for the development of a skill, or some combination of these. A sport has physical activity, side by side competition, self-motivation and a scoring system.
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Okay... let's do something for fun, just to see if it fit...
DDR and ITG consists of a physical and mentally competitive activity carried out with a recreational purpose for competition, for self-enjoyment, to attain excellence, for the development of a skill, or some combination of these. DDR and ITG has physical activity, side by side competition, self-motivation and a scoring system.
Oh, and some ppl still think that Wikipedia is an unreliable source? Concerning obscure topics, maybe, but for something like the definition of sport?!
Okay, let's take what Dictionary tell us!
| Dictionary wrote: | sport
* Physical activity that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often engaged in competitively.
* A particular form of this activity.
* An activity involving physical exertion and skill that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often undertaken competitively.
* An active pastime; recreation.
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| 54. Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 3:10 pm Post subject: |
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| OniNeko wrote: | Ppl are the same everywhere! They are arguing about things and don't really know what they are talking about...
So, for the second time, WHAT EXACTLY IS A SPORT?
Let's go see on Wikipedia for fun...
| Wikipedia wrote: | A sport consists of a physical and mentally competitive activity carried out with a recreational purpose for competition, for self-enjoyment, to attain excellence, for the development of a skill, or some combination of these. A sport has physical activity, side by side competition, self-motivation and a scoring system.
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Okay... let's do something for fun, just to see if it fit...
DDR and ITG consists of a physical and mentally competitive activity carried out with a recreational purpose for competition, for self-enjoyment, to attain excellence, for the development of a skill, or some combination of these. DDR and ITG has physical activity, side by side competition, self-motivation and a scoring system.
Oh, and some ppl still think that Wikipedia is an unreliable source? Concerning obscure topics, maybe, but for something like the definition of sport?!
Okay, let's take what Dictionary tell us!
| Dictionary wrote: | sport
* Physical activity that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often engaged in competitively.
* A particular form of this activity.
* An activity involving physical exertion and skill that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often undertaken competitively.
* An active pastime; recreation.
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You musta missed my post before, where I said that almost anything can considered a sport because almost anything can be considered physical activity with rules.
Coloring with crayons is physical activity. Coloring inside the lines is a rule/guideline. I could compete with someone else to see who can color something first. That isn't a sport?
By definition, DDR can be called a sport. And, so can coloring. But that doesn't mean that the world will accept DDR as a renown sport.
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| 55. Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 4:06 pm Post subject: |
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| OMGWTFDIE wrote: | You musta missed my post before, where I said that almost anything can considered a sport because almost anything can be considered physical activity with rules.
Coloring with crayons is physical activity. Coloring inside the lines is a rule/guideline. I could compete with someone else to see who can color something first. That isn't a sport?
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I did read your post! In fact, I added the Dictionnary reference just for you! :/ Now you're arguing about coloring being a physical activity! Is moving your eyes up and down a physical exercise? You really think so!? I guess I now know for what kind of ppl we can read things like "WARNING: The content of this coffee cup is hot!" :) Again, tell me what a physical activity is?
Wikipedia ftw!
| Wikipedia wrote: | Physical exercise is the performance of some activity in order to develop or maintain physical fitness and overall health. Frequent and regular physical exercise is an important component in the prevention of some of the diseases of affluence such as cancer, heart disease, cardiovascular disease, diabetes and obesity.
Exercises are generally grouped into three types depending on the overall effect they have on the human body:
* Flexibility exercises such as stretching improve the range of motion of muscles and joints.
* Aerobic exercises such as walking and running focus on increasing cardiovascular endurance.
* Anaerobic exercises such as weight training or sprinting increase short-term muscle strength.
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Please... tell me if you can fit Coloring somewhere in one of thoses groups! Maybe if you uses 10 pounds pencils... of if you color while jumping around... or even if you need to color in arkward positions... yeah... MAYBE! But... that's not the case isn't it? :)
As for DDR and ITG, I pretty sure no one can argue that it an Aerobic exercise when doing easy song a long time and an Anaerobic exercise when doing hard/fast songs!
Coloring is NOT!
Yeah, you can do a colouring tournements, have players be judged on some ruleset, have finals and even have winners, but it would not be a sport. Anyway, who would like to participate in a coloring tournament? ;) Coloring can't get you in shape. DDR, ITG, PIU, and all others stomping games can!
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By definition, DDR can be called a sport. And, so can coloring. But that doesn't mean that the world will accept DDR as a renown sport.
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Yeah, I do think you're right about that. DDR will stay an arcade game in the eyes of most ppl! But more and more start to consider thoses game as a physical exercise! Did you knew that West Virginia added DDR to Gym Class?
I'm pretty sure DDR and other stomping games will start to becore more and more recongnized as valid and FUN physical exercise in the near future! That is, unless the thrend stop! :/ |
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| 56. Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 4:18 pm Post subject: |
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DDR stopped being really popular about a year ago...
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| 57. Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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| OMGWTFDIE wrote: |
You musta missed my post before, where I said that almost anything can considered a sport because almost anything can be considered physical activity with rules.
Coloring with crayons is physical activity. Coloring inside the lines is a rule/guideline. I could compete with someone else to see who can color something first. That isn't a sport?
By definition, DDR can be called a sport. And, so can coloring. But that doesn't mean that the world will accept DDR as a renown sport. |
ahh, youv switched argumants. before you said DDR couldn't even be considered a sport. so the basis of this debate has now been reached. DDR can be considered a sport. whether or not it will be one officially is yet to be seen. |
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| 58. Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Papersak wrote: | The problem with DDR being a sport is that there is a limit to how good you can be. In sports, you keep working and working and you can keep getting better. But once you can AAA every song, reverse, right, stealth, do everything in DDR without running out of strength, well, that's as good as someone gets. Okay, so no one in their right mind would know how to stealth every song and predict every shuffle chart, but still.
'Spose DDR wouldn't make a BAD sport compared to like... making a sport out of normal video games or something... *thinks*... freestyling could almost make a fun sport, though. Almost... that's just my opinion... |
that's why they need to make it more interesting. instead of having the usual two pads, have like 8 pads connected and keep the person running back and forth from each pad depening on where the arrows are located. of course, that version of ddr would implement a widescreen format and it'll keep the DDRer on their toes even more. |
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| 59. Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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| OMGWTFDIE wrote: | | scythe33 wrote: | | OMGWTFDIE wrote: | | snip because you rant too much. |
Oh, I don't actually debate, I just point out logical fallacies.
The one you're doing right now is called "no true scotsman", but I can make an exception, because it's late and I'm stoned. |
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heh, I wouldn't care if it was called "dancing like the cross-dressing lumberjack from Monty Python revolution".
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