Piu Vs. Itg

Mostly_Harmless · Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 9:07 am Post subject: Piu Vs. Itg

Hello guys, I just tried PIU in the arcades for the first time last week. It is definetly one cool dance game but wow its freaking hard! Im basicly an ITG player because i felt DDR was getting to easy (although i love DDR too) It seems not too many people talk about PIU here so i was wondering what you think is harder PIU or ITG? and also why are the backrounds in the songs so freaking weird and scary? I also wanted to know what is the hightest difficulty foot rating for PIU? Thank you

Kyrandian · Trick Member Joined: 24 Mar 2002 Location: Portland, OR

The reason few people discuss Pump here is because this is the ITG forum, but to respond to your questions:

Most will agree, Pump's hardest charts are far more difficult than anything found on ITG. The grading system, timing windows, and conditions required to pass fail the song are more lenient however, so some very good Pump players struggle with ITG's single expert charts. Pump's Nightmare mode is something no other dance game as of yet can compete with as far as craziness goes. The highest rating is 30 I believe, but I wouldn't pay attention to them because they rarely make any sense.

DDR_KiD_1 · Trick Member Joined: 30 Jul 2005

PIU is better.

Haha actually that's just my opinion. And some other people, but I'm not sure very many of them are on this board........ Yea, NM is awesome. Of course, the problem over it is that someone may be really good but can't do doubles very well. In the Groove has is definently better when it comes to song length. Longer songs=better. But maybe that's just another one of my opinions.
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J. S. Mill · Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 11:26 am Post subject:

Please keep this thread civil; I think it's a good discussion but I don't want it to become volatile (and for me to have to lock it).

As for myself, I have never played PIU and so can give no real opinion either way. ITG is sufficiently challenging for me, as of right now.
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Tyrgannus · Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 12:42 pm Post subject:

I don't have access to a Pump machine on a regular basis, but I have played it before. Actually, I played it for like 3 hours in the Mall of America and got fairly familiarlzed (I don't know if that's a word) with the 5-panel layout. (As a background, I had played DDR about 1.5 years before this) I found Pump to be fun, yes, but I wasn't enamored by the learning curve. I could easily do stuff like 7s and 8s, but 9s were far to hard.

In PIU's defense, it has some mega sweet stepcharts. Just look at Beethoven Virus (I think that's what it's called) or even Turkey March. Unfortunately these good stepcharts go to music that a generally......hate.

Yes, it's my opinion, but I don't like PIU's music. However fun the stepcharts are, however innovative the 5-panel steup is, I can't play a dancing game if I don't like the music. Period. This is why ITG was so amazing to me after playing years of DDR. You get sick of J-pop after a while and you've already played the 20 good sounding songs 100 times (I don't think 100 is that far off either lol) So I would vote on ITG because of the music and because Nightmare feels like hard for hard sake while Expert just feels hard for fun and challenge (Well, maybe not the 13s =D)
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ICNH · Trick Member Joined: 06 Sep 2004 Location: Mahwah, NJ

I don't think you can really compare PIU and ItG. They are two different games, with different styles of play. PIU players could fail songs on Easy if they hadn't familiarized themselves with the 4-panel style beforehand, and vice versa. In my opinion, because I've only playing PIU for a little while, I think it is harder. Then again, I'm sure if I'd been playing a 5-panel layout for the past 2+ years, I'd think ItG was hard as hell.

Oh yeah, the Korean-type (I think it's Korean) music isn't that great. It is a music game after all, and if you don't like the music, you can't fully enjoy the game.
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teamoguy21 · Basic Member Joined: 26 Sep 2005

Honstily it doesn't matter to me, its just a fun dancing game
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Marq(uistadorous) · Trick Member Joined: 03 Aug 2005 Location: Arvada, CO

In my opinion PIU sucks bad

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Synaesthesia · Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 12:16 pm Post subject:

Maybe you should actually back up your opinion instead of sounding like an idiot.

I'm not as experienced with PIU as I am with ITG, but I very much like PIU for its creativity in stepcharts. Because of the timing windows and a few other minor things, I would never play it for score like I would play ITG. But, it definitely looks like it would be a lot of fun for the sake of having fun. I think ITG suits me better, but I look forward to playing a lot of PIU:Zero, especially this summer.
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Syncopation · Trick Member Joined: 03 Feb 2003

Pump It Up.

I don't play Crazy/Nightmare, and yet the Normal/Hard stepcharts and the Freestyle stepcharts still flow, and they still offer a good balance of fun and challenge. At this point, I'm just starting Hard 7's and Freestyle 4's--with 2x and 3x speed mods as needed.

To be specific: first of all, I'm really starting to like 5-panel/10-panel gameplay. Also, the Jump combinations just make sense. Step-jump combinations also make sense, these are realistic Hip-hop type combinations, not just for added difficulty. Crossovers are fun once learned. Spins just flow and usually don't end with the player in a awkward position so they will miss the next step. Long arrows are challenging, but once learned, they tend to force freestyle moves that make sense and are fun to do. Finally, hands are used appropriately, usually at the start or end of the song where again, such a use of hands makes sense (with a few exceptions such as Join The Party Crazy).

With ITG, I quickly run out of options. I'm forced to play easier stepcharts that aren't very interesting and often repeat the same step patterns, or else I'm forced to play harder stepcharts that I'll inevitably fail (due to lots of mines or stretch hands).

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MiiChan · Trick Member Joined: 02 May 2005 Location: Tallahassee, FL

Pump's LIADZ2 Another nm 30 is probably equaled to undefined in ITG standards, since you need to people to pass it (if anyone can get a video of them doing it, I'll quit Pump, lol).

But seirously, it's a different game with different standards. As other said, if you look at the stepcharts alone, Pump is easily harder (and sometimes stupid). If you look at the grading system, ITG is 5x harder, IMO. I can pass 16 crazys and 15 nms with stage break in Pump, but I can't touch anything above a 11 yet in ITG. Hopefuly that'll change once we get a brand new ITG2 dedicab here in Tally next week (at least, thats when they said it's supposed to be here).
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nerds day out · Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 6:03 am Post subject:

I'd say that PIU is harder, but I guess that's because I've played it about 3 times.
I couldn't get the uh, turning your body right thing down.
That and I kept stepping on the "down arrow".

Synaesthesia · Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 9:46 am Post subject:

Tsuri · Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 9:09 am Post subject:

I started playing music games with Pump it Up and find ITG1 and 2 to be lacking in the music department.... the licensced tracks sound extremely generic and the songs made just for the game have too little variety... only 2 games in the series and we already have a whole bunch of sequel songs? (4 Disconnected songs?) The only mixes of Pump it Up I've disliked were Premiere 3 and PREX3 because they were lacking in new Korean music and also lacking in good step charts... I mostly enjoy Freestyle so when I play ITG, there are like two songs to Freestyle to because Roxor didn't bother making even the medium charts good enough so you would actually want to dance on the pad.

And to those bashing the music in the game, it's all a matter of opinion... I like the Korean, Spanish, Chinese, American, French and Brazillian songs AM licensces with like each mix only coming with one stinker (with the exception of Premiere 3 and PREX3) I get sick of people getting excited over Beethoven Virus and Turkey March... they're damn old... if your going to praise Banya for anything look into some of the new stuff... Canon-D, J Bong, Blazing, Final Audition 3 UF, Jump and many others are way better than that stuff thats as old as dirt.

There is just something about ITG1 and 2 that don't keep me coming back... once I've unlocked and played all the songs I don't have any desire to continue playing it... it's almost like USA console releases of DDR... no replay value what so ever once everything has been unlocked... heh... I think ITG could benefit from having background videos equivalent to the newer songs from Pump it Up mixes... (Rebirth - Zero). Yes I can Freestyle, play Nightmare mode, and other modes and still pay attention to the background video... so umm yeah... I don't like ITGs use of generic stuff... and I'm glad Konami is ditching most of the genericness for DDR Super Nova (I think)

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