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1220. PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 11:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Make yourself known to get some.

Can't be that hard to do, eh doubles master? E13.gif
The only reason you've never heard of me is because I haven't made it my mission to be known outside of my local stomping grounds.
In case you haven't noticed, all you people who don't know me live on the left coast.
I live in Texas.
Anyway don't worry, I'm way ahead of you here. I'm currently embarking on a project that will (hopefully) revitalize the FS scene here in Texas. Part of said project will be publicity via internet, and if all goes well, you'll see much of my stuff.


Good, good. Of course, the FS scene will be fine once SuperNOVA's up in the arcades, regardless. New songs = new routines.

At any rate, us NorCal folk need more lambs for the slaughter. E7.gif

(Ah, this is like the good ol' days of the NorCal/SoCal rivalries. Of course, SoCal never came up here and beat us on our turf in FS. PA, different story. *heh*)
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1221. PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 12:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Single PAD freestyle is ALWAYS BETTER THAN thee DOUBLES. That is, of course, if we are talking about a one man routine. But, if we are talking COUPLES, that's the only way two pads being used can be better than one. Got it? Good!
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1222. PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 2:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tequila~RTF~ wrote:
Single PAD freestyle is ALWAYS BETTER THAN thee DOUBLES. That is, of course, if we are talking about a one man routine. But, if we are talking COUPLES, that's the only way two pads being used can be better than one. Got it? Good!


and only because PCB from miggle 2 was the illest ish i've ever seen...remind me someone? was that on doubles? i think it was...but i couldn't get past losing to ferrari after qualifying first, so memory is a bit faded.
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1223. PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 3:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mel B. wrote:

(Ah, this is like the good ol' days of the NorCal/SoCal rivalries. Of course, SoCal never came up here and beat us on our turf in FS. PA, different story. *heh*)


So Cal hardly has any good fs'er nowadays. It would be a miracle if someone breathtaking FS to revitalized it in so cal. Then again I've been out of the tournament scene since CBN when I met you, Tequila, and the rest of the nor cal crew. E10.gif
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1224. PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 3:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Attempting to stay w/ the previous conversation: I prefer single pad performances for myself to double pad on the simple notion that I am short, and my legs just can't move as fluidly across 2 pads. I HAVE performed doubles freestyles before though ... I just prefer singles because it's easier for ME.

Oh ... slightly off topic ... I posted some of the DDRSTREET/PUMPSTREET vids on my YouTube ... enjoy:

http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=j0ceyj0ce1221

L8z y'all! E13.gif

~ Tsinay Butterfly flash.gif

P.S. I hope there's a remix to ignition of the FS fire out there (thanks to DDR SuperNOVA) ... because the fire never died out on me. E4.gif
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1225. PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AH! gotta love that SMOKE routine biggrin.gif....

man i just step out a while just to join the military and look what happens here lol j/k.

Danceatron wrote:
Anyway don't worry, I'm way ahead of you here. I'm currently embarking on a project that will (hopefully) revitalize the FS scene here in Texas. Part of said project will be publicity via internet, and if all goes well, you'll see much of my stuff.


how many times have i heard someone say (even myself had said it too...) that i will try to bring freestyle back in x-place? Plenty of times!

Oh yes please do show us some of your fancy foot works on the pads. prove us that you aren't just bluffin' and at least. i may not be one of the best or well known in cali, but i sure hell gave it a run competing against the best of the best cali have to offer.

as Booker T would say it best:

"CAN YOU DIG IT?! SUCKAAAAA!"
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1226. PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 8:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh great and knowlegeable DDRFreak freestyle, uhh, people:

I posted in this topic a while back cause I was just getting into FSing...I tried the best I could to put together a LTR FS but eventually gave up. Now I'd like to give it another shot but since I have not done any "real" dancing a day in my life I'm gonna need some help.

Just to get me started, can somebody gave me some moves I could use and I'll work something together from there? That would help me out some. Thanks in advance
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1227. PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 7:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

well i'm not a great or knowledgeable freestyle person....(well i might be knowledgeable because i watch freestyle videos like all the time happy.gif)...but basically there are a LOT of ltr routines out there. in fact, it's good that you're starting there because it's a very easy song to freestyle to and there are a lot of routines to borrow from.

i suggest you start by watch hypnotikz and jing's ltr routines (danielle's dad's routine is good starting material too). they can both be found in both captaincanda's youtube link and in the ddrfreak videos (different versions of jing's ltr, though).

then you learn the steps. the most important part, unless you plan on doing a lot of screen-looking (which usually looks pretty bad). the nice thing is that ltr has an easy-to-memorize stepchart, with very recognizable parts (ex: "the crossovers," the two jump freezes). so you're in luck.

now for the actual moves. you can learn the moves simultaneously with the steps, or after you memorize the steps. for ltr, it's probably better to learn the steps separately (and easier, considering how many cues from other ltr routines correspond to different step patterns). in terms of different moves, the best advice i can give is watch lots of routines. that's what i do ;D. you can also look at the stepchart, do something with the feet that corresponds with the steps, and then do something with the hands that matches the feet. whatever's best for you.

whatever moves you choose, make sure they work in the context of the song and the rest of your dance. a really memorable routine has an underlying idea behind it. don't just throw random moves together, basically (i'm guilty of this).

so yeah, make your routine, and have fun ;D
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With me, a good freestyle routine is one that interprets the song and the lyrics used and uses that to aid their performance. Take for example SweetBanna's "On the Jazz" routine. During the song the singer goes "You won't need a recipt." At that part, A-jay pulls a recipt out of his pocket and throws it aside stunning the crowd.

Of course its all boils down to originality and if you're having fun or not. If you're not having a good time, most likely the people watching you aren't having one as well.
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it's actually "you can keep the receipt." it's still pretty awesome though, and that's one of my all-time favorite routines. in terms of interpreting the song, it's best to match the intensity of your dance with the intensity of the song. and to highlight changes in the song's intensity (for instance, if you're doing an A routine, the second half has to be a lot more energetic than the first!).
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Just starting out on an all-nighter paper here, time to get used to typing paragraphs over IMs, haha.

Good interaction with the crowd can elevate a routine to the top 3 in a tournament. Even a sub-par Spin the Disc will gain some respect if the performer makes an attempt to engage the audience, if he looks like he's having a good time, or tries to grab their attention (via claps, props, cueing them to sing along, whatever). One of the most tried-and-true methods is using lyrics to your advantage - after all, it's pretty much a given that 90% of the audience members are/were bemani geeks and know what lines are coming up.

However, you should put some thought into HOW you use the lyrics, especially if it's to a song that's been done a thousand times before (how many people at this point have made "prayer hands" during the second line of On the Jazz?). Being too literal is cheesy, and it's for this reason that you'll rarely see a professional dancer stoop to this during a routine. They might bust out something that fits the lyrics during a key point of the song, or have it so that their moves match the rhythm of the words, but that's about as far as they go.

In this day and age in DDR (or at least until we get a good taste of the songs in SN), I say put a twist on the lyrics if you're gonna interpret them in your dance. You might get a cheap pop if you hump the pad during "the beastly rendezvous", but you're giving the audience something they expected - try busting out a stuffed dog or something (lol beastiality). Mess around with what you've got to work with. Innovate. It's part of what separates the experienced freestyler from White Boy With a Prop #48.
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How is it that you can throw out comments like that, and then tell us to take them as roundabout compliments?

I mean, none of your initial statements about doubles being better than singles implied anything about it being just your opinion. It was just an outright "Routines are always better on doubles." It was bold and simple.

I disagreed. You challenged me to prove my "bold" statement. What, like your statement wasn't bold? If you put so much value in individual opinion, why did you take such a stance against mine? From what I've gathered from the later posts, you could've resolved this whole thing with a simple, "Oh no, I meant it's just my opinion that doubles is better for routines." or "Freestyling on doubles is better for me."

You know, instead of all that backpedaling. But out of curiosity...how WERE we supposed to interpret everything you've said?

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Now if any given singles routine can be beaten by a better doubles routine and vice versa, doesn't it stand to reason that it's NOT about whether it's singles or doubles?
That's flawed logic. If the singles routine is 'better' then it's irrelevant, yes. But that's an apples to oranges comparison.

Flawed logic? How is that flawed logic? Try explaining something, damn it. How is it an apples to oranges comparison? They're both routines done on a ddr machine. What's so damned different?

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Kinda hard to misinterpret "always better." Those two words are pretty solid.
And yet, you manage somehow to do just that....

As before, how did we misinterpret it? How were we supposed to interpret it?

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"Better" is an opinion. "Always better' is still an opinion. You're trying to express an opinion (and mine at that) as an absolute, which is not possible, logically.
The qualities I value in a doubles routine are always better expressed through doubles. Therefore, in my opinion, Doubles routines are always better than singles. This is of course assuming you're talking same basic routine, same dancer same number of steps, etc... which is not going to happen.

I expressed it as an absolute because your initial statement was an absolute. It didn't say anything about it being a simple opinion or something that fits you. I interpreted what was there, what was typed down. What you typed down. And as before, you could've simply responded by stating it was just an opinion in the first place.

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Once again, before you assume even more from what I've said here, It's very possible for a singles routine to be better than a doubles routine, obviously. I don't deny that. But if you construct a doubles routine with the same moves, style, etc... as its singles counterpart, I will always consider the doubles routine better.

Well, DUH. In that situation, you've made every factor equal except for whether it's singles or doubles. We're talking OVERALL quality here, and I've seen too many dance battles to say that it's determined by how much space a dancer uses.

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What am I? Chopped liver?
Compared to me? Ermm... Next question.
Oh mercy, here comes the obligatory smack talking....
You don't know me, boss. I suggest you have a little more respect for the unknown.

Is there any reason to? Do you dance? Have you placed in any tournaments? Are there any videos? Can anyone vouch for you? Do you have any fresh ideas for freestyle?

Because respect is earned, not given.

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Why is everyone taking my comments like I'm bashing singles routines?
Earlier, I, wrote:
(please not that I am not saying: "every doubles routine is better than every singles routine" or anything to that effect. That would, obviously, be gross generalization.)
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It's very possible for a singles routine to be better than a doubles routine, obviously. I don't deny that.

Because the basis of your argument is that the potential for doubles routines is greater than that of singles routines. Whereas those who disagree generally don't split the two, they just do it. We don't believe that one has greater potential than the other, we just believe there's potential. Alot more ideas come to you that way.

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If anything you should take my comments as complimentary to those that compose impressive singles routines. I think it's harder to make an interesting singles routine, and I admit that I've seen them done.

That's a roundabout compliment. Anyone can take a comment as a compliment if they try hard enough.

Besides, you say your style makes doubles ideal for you, but I believe that your true style only comes out when you improv. Afterall, anyone can practice a routine and look a certain way. But when you improv, it's all you.
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1233. PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 4:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Uh h-hi... I need some tips on freestyling, I know how to do it.. It's just sometimes when I do a knee drop and all that, it REALLY hurts after a while riiight.gif
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how old were ya'll when ya'll first started playing ddr?
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Good interaction with the crowd can elevate a routine to the top 3 in a tournament. Even a sub-par Spin the Disc will gain some respect if the performer makes an attempt to engage the audience, if he looks like he's having a good time, or tries to grab their attention (via claps, props, cueing them to sing along, whatever). One of the most tried-and-true methods is using lyrics to your advantage - after all, it's pretty much a given that 90% of the audience members are/were bemani geeks and know what lines are coming up.


it really depends though....i mean, kevin kim's dam dariram would probably only be hurt by crowd interaction, and it's hard (but not impossible) to include good crowd interaction in a song like era or healing vision. of course, a combo of a bunch of sweet moves can excite the audience, as you can see in, say, bruce leroy's so fabulous so fierce, or liustyle's era. which is probably the best way to engage an audience in circumstances like that.

on the other hand, there are songs that practically ASK to use the lyrics, claps or theme to your advantage. i mean, how ELSE are you going to do an "i do i do i do" freestyle? or in "i'm gonna get you," it would be a good idea to be "standing there with your arms all folded like you couldn't care." ;D
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hey was a 1990 ever done in a ddr machine? if so was WITH or WITHOUT bars
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Jeez, I don't think I've gotten much of a big crowd.. riiight.gif ... I only go to play in arcades, sometimes people even clap for me... They say I'm good for a kid riiight.gif
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1238. PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 4:34 am    Post subject: Re: Whoa, a week late... Reply with quote

Jing wrote:
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Oh mercy, here comes the obligatory smack talking....
You don't know me, boss. I suggest you have a little more respect for the unknown.
Is there any reason to? Do you dance? Have you placed in any tournaments? Are there any videos? Can anyone vouch for you? Do you have any fresh ideas for freestyle?
Because respect is earned, not given.
Ok, just to clear the air here, I don't expect any of you to give me any respect. None of you have the faintest idea of who I am or what I can or cannot do. I never asked for anyone to respect me. Frankly, I don't know any of you either, so what would it matter to me?

All I said was that it is wise to respect the unknown; It's wise to be cautious when you don't know what you're dealing with. This is basic tactical stuff, guys. If the next big thing posted some random comment, got blasted, and then proved he was better than each and every one of you, you'd be eating crow. I don't want to see that happen to any of the kind folks here.
Anyway, I can see my philosophy isn't mixing well with the competitive atmosphere here, so I'll leave it at that.


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How is it that you can throw out comments like that, and then tell us to take them as roundabout compliments?
Because I never insulted anyone or any style, and I complemented the style that I believe is harder to do (singles).

This whole argument is tiresome. Not because you disagree with me, but because you don't seem to be getting what I'm saying.

Tell you what, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that it's my poor communication and not anything to do with your interpretation.
The point is: from what I've read, I don't think we disagree on as much as you might think we do anyway. I'll explain my rational to you out of fairness, though:
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Now if any given singles routine can be beaten by a better doubles routine and vice versa, doesn't it stand to reason that it's NOT about whether it's singles or doubles?
That's flawed logic. If the singles routine is 'better' then it's irrelevant, yes. But that's an apples to oranges comparison.
Flawed logic? How is that flawed logic? Try explaining something, damn it. How is it an apples to oranges comparison? They're both routines done on a ddr machine. What's so damned different?
Sorry, I didn't think I needed to explain it. If a routine is better than another, it's better regardless of the medium (Singles vs. Doubles). You're comparing un-equal routines to try to make a statement about the medium, which is an unfair comparison. Just because Routine A is better than Routine B doesn't mean that there was a level playing field.

Let me put it this way:
Let's say a really strong guy and a really weak guy have a race.
Strong Guy has to carry a 100 pound weight and Weak Guy only has to carry a one pound weight.
They race, and Strong guy wins.

One conclusion you could draw here is:
How fast you can run must not have anything to do with how much weight you're carrying.

This is flawed logic, and an unfair comparison.
The possibility for one man to win over another says nothing about the medium (in this example the weights you carry in a race, in DDR FS the choice between 4 and 8 panels), and only something about the participants.

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Like I said, I'll assume that my communication is failing here:
In the context of someone asking for help on a routine, all I wanted to express was that I think Doubles routines are more impressive and easier to create. I'll gladly concede (again) that I could have and should have worded my statement better. All I've tried to do since is explain what my rational behind it was when I made it, and that it was only my opinion.

We're talking about a highly subjective style of playing a dancing video game.
Anything stated here by anyone in regards to better, easier, or any other subjective term is an opinion, even if stated in a 'matter of fact' manner. This should go without saying. Feel free to disagree with me all you want, I don' find that offensive, but don't try to tell me it's not an opinion.
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1239. PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 11:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bboy a.c300 wrote:
hey was a 1990 ever done in a ddr machine? if so was WITH or WITHOUT bars


Taka's Butterfly was about as close to a 1990 I've seen on pads.

Then there's the infamous PIU vid where homeboy broke out a 2000!

Both were done with bars on the machine.

naruto_fangirl_15 wrote:
Uh h-hi... I need some tips on freestyling, I know how to do it.. It's just sometimes when I do a knee drop and all that, it REALLY hurts after a while riiight.gif


One of two suggestions:

a) Kneepads.
b) When doing a knee drop, don't put all your weight on your knees when going down. That's asking for serious wear and tear. (in other words, don't get any funny ideas from watching my "Put Your Faith in Me" routine. Even I cringe on seeing that knee drop) - should be more like a light bounce/tap, not a full-fledged slam into the pads.

naruto_fangirl_15 wrote:
how old were ya'll when ya'll first started playing ddr?


Hrmm... when it first hit the US arcades (1999), I was 23 at the time. Been FS'ing since. E7.gif
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