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IF u have a PC, the trio linker plus.


Another note: if you ask CF like I did, you can get a black center panel.
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thanks for the warning about the cf on ebay. i was about to buy it!!!

for the adapter I heard the ignition universal adapter work really good for pc and xbox.

here's a link:http://www.redoctane.com/universaladapter.html
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Thanks for the replies so far, they have been very helpful. I think I need to clarify one of my questions, and ask a few more follow up questions.

1. *Revised* My question about the durability had to do with getting replacements/repairs if the wiring type stuff gets jacked. For example, if my wiring goes out am I out of luck, or can it be repaired without too much difficulty. Let us assume the warranty is void, since I would like to think this would only happen after several years of use.

2. Under normal conditions, this pad basically never dies, right? The normal wear and tear is easy to fix (buy lexan/decal/whatever from Cobalt Flux,) but how long would it take to total the thing to the point where you have to get a new one? Let us assume you will have two consistent players: one 220 pounder (lineman type build, me,) the other 180 (free safety type build, my brother), dancing mostly on standard and perhaps working up to heavy overtime.

Explanation of why this is important: Let us consider the following situations.
a. Wires get fried somehow, the rest of the pad is ok. I pay 70 bucks to get new "guts" shipped to me/ get it fixed. My 300 dollar purchase has gone up to 370, but it will still benefit me for years to come.
b. Wires get fried somehow, the rest of the pad is ok. I have no choice but to buy a new pad. I have therefore paid 600 dollars, as opposed to 370.

3. In the event that I don't like it, it is a simpe matter to remove the arcade mod, correct?

4. Do the loosened screws get in the way at all while dancing?

5. If I were to play stepmania, I would need to buy a red octane converter widget. Right? Speaking of which, I can't imagine stomping next to your computer is a prudent choice.

6. So if I understand correctly, dancing with barefeet is an invitation to get tetnus.

That's about it. Thanks again guys for the help.

-MK

*Edit* I learned that when I count from 1 to 6, two only occurs once


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MountainKing wrote:
Thanks for the replies so far, they have been very helpful. I think I need to clarify one of my questions, and ask a few more follow up questions.

1. *Revised* My question about the durability had to do with getting replacements/repairs if the wiring type stuff gets jacked. For example, if my wiring goes out am I out of luck, or can it be repaired without too much difficulty. Let us assume the warranty is void, since I would like to think this would only happen after several years of use.

2. Under normal conditions, this pad basically never dies, right? The normal wear and tear is easy to fix (buy lexan/decal/whatever from Cobalt Flux,) but how long would it take to total the thing to the point where you have to get a new one? Let us assume you will have two consistent players: one 220 pounder (lineman type build, me,) the other 180 (free safety type build, my brother), dancing mostly on standard and perhaps working up to heavy overtime.

Explanation of why this is important: Let us consider the following situations.
a. Wires get fried somehow, the rest of the pad is ok. I pay 70 bucks to get new "guts" shipped to me/ get it fixed. My 300 dollar purchase has gone up to 370, but it will still benefit me for years to come.
b. Wires get fried somehow, the rest of the pad is ok. I have no choice but to buy a new pad. I have therefore paid 600 dollars, as opposed to 370.

2. In the event that I don't like it, it is a simpe matter to remove the arcade mod, correct?

3. Do the loosened screws get in the way at all while dancing?

4. If I were to play stepmania, I would need to buy a red octane converter widget. Right? Speaking of which, I can't imagine stomping next to your computer is a prudent choice.

5. So if I understand correctly, dancing with barefeet is an invitation to get tetnus.

That's about it. Thanks again guys for the help.

-MK


1. No idea
2. If you clean every few months, under your conditions it should last 3 years at least.
2 again. yes its easy to remove
3.No not all, at least not with shoes.
4. Well you would need to buy some sort of adapter, if the computer's on a desk its fine.
5. yep
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I have no idea how difficult it would be to replace the wiring, but the only way I can see the wiring being destroyed is if you physically rip the panel and wires off while cleaning it.

I wouldn't worry much about it wearing out. I weigh about 195 and I've never had a problem with my pad. Anything from beginner mode to 10s and it works fine. Aside from some scuffing the thing should last a very long time.

The arcade mod is very simple to take off. A few screws, a few brackets, put the original lexan panels back on and you're set.

Screws shouldn't get in the way if you are wearing shoes.


CF doesn't have a control box that goes to a computer yet, so the adapter is the only way (but I'm yet to find an adapter that is reported to work well...unless the RO one listed above works well. Thank you for the link by the way! I will order one and try it).

And yes...bare feet invites, if not tetnus, at least several deep gashes.
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Thanks for all the replies, I am just about decided on getting a pair of fluxes. It looks like the best option out there, and a good long term investment.

However, browsing the forums has brought up a question that I need answered....

I have read again and again about making a wooden base for the flux. Under what circumstances is this needed? And if my base were to crack, what would my options be? Let us assume the warranty is already voided. Is this the sort of thing I could fix by myself by "fixing" the cracked part, basically redoing the bottom, or would I be out of luck? As you can tell I am very economically minded person, and if I spend 600 some dollars on an investment I will be sure to make it last. In the event that a wooden base is needed/recommened, what is the cheapest/easiest way to do it? I don't care about appearence as long as it works. A price/time estimate would also be appreciated. Is this carpet problem a one in a hundred sort of deal, or truly a "buyer beware" situation? Note that if the base lengthens the life of the pad by more significantly, then I would consider it a necessity. Thanks again guys, I might be ordering my fluxes within the week.

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So far, the only weakness I've seen in the platform is Pepsi. It's like kryptonite to a DDR pad.



Right after my friend manages to spill his pepsi all over my new pad, it immediately goes nuts. x.x.

I made it all better though. No more problems.
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OK, I am decided. I'm gonna buy them. The only question I have left is if you guys know any coupon codes for the flux. There is a slot for one at the checkout, and any money I can save.... If you don't happen to know, feel free to nudge me in the right direction. Thanks again.

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Jupichan wrote:
So far, the only weakness I've seen in the platform is Pepsi. It's like kryptonite to a DDR pad.



Right after my friend manages to spill his pepsi all over my new pad, it immediately goes nuts. x.x.

I made it all better though. No more problems.


haha i spilled sprite on one of the buttons on my BRAND NEW PAD, didnt do anything tho biggrin.gif
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CANADIANS BEWARE:

hidden CF costs

wow, im canadian and i have 300 dollars, why dont i buy a CF... maybe a bad idea if you dont work, or have other payments

heres the thing, with shipping the 300US comes out to 400 CANADIAN

you think that is the only fee you will have to pay. actually you have to pay for it to come across the border and the delivery fee to you door.

I got a 90.74 bill from FEDEX, and sadly had to sell my pad over ebay just to pay for the shipping

thus, make sure you have 500 CANADIAN before you buy a SINGLE cobalt flux... WITH THE HOLIDAY DEAL.
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Evank wrote:
CANADIANS BEWARE:

hidden CF costs

wow, im canadian and i have 300 dollars, why dont i buy a CF... maybe a bad idea if you dont work, or have other payments. Heres the thing, with shipping the 300US comes out to 400 CANADIAN. You think that is the only fee you will have to pay. actually you have to pay for it to come across the border and the delivery fee to you door.

I got a 90.74 bill from FEDEX, and sadly had to sell my pad over ebay just to pay for the shipping, thus, make sure you have 500 CANADIAN before you buy a SINGLE cobalt flux... WITH THE HOLIDAY DEAL.


With the exchange rate, $400 Canadian sounds about right. Mine was like $375 US after the arcade mod and shipping. As for the bill from Fed-Ex, aren't they double charging you? I don't think Fed-Ex would split the bill between two different parties. If CF didn't pay enough to ship it, they should have sent it back to CF instead of billing you.
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Customs fee.
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Well I have seen a couple of the pages of this topic and I still have questions.

1. Will I be able to dsiable the corner pannels with Ultramix 3?
2.Do I have to set up the pad to with Red Octane's new universal adaptor?
3. Will it show up as a contoller or pad on XBL?
4. I want to buy the arcade mod but how close does it make the pad feel like an arcade pad?
5. With the arcade mod if i ever wanted to play PIU(not that I ever tried it.......yet) on SM will I have to take the mod out?
6. Since I want the arcade mod and since I need a adaptor for my xbox is $400.32 worth it?
7.Since the PS3 and Xbox 360 (which is all ready out which you all know of of course), will there be some sort of adpater for it?

I'm not new to DDR and have passed 10 footers(Sakura-A, Bag-A, Max 300-C, Outer Limits -B) with my Konami softpad. Will I have to get use to the pad before I can be at the same level? Thanks
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is this redoctane adapter good?
it looks nice, and I wanna play UM2
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I would certainly recommend wearing shoes while playing DDR on a metal platform (I say metal because shoes would make damaging a soft pad even more likely than it already is) for several reasons.

The first reason is that the shoes will give your feet and ankles some support. They would also protect you feet from nicks and scrapes from the pad's screws and edges and what have you.
Especially for those of you who want an arcade feel, and doubly for those who purchase the arcade mod- what arcade is going to let people dance barefoot, or in socks? Perhaps I'm just inexperienced, but I don't imagine "management" would be too happy about that.
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DDRdre wrote:
Well I have seen a couple of the pages of this topic and I still have questions.

1. Will I be able to dsiable the corner pannels with Ultramix 3?
2.Do I have to set up the pad to with Red Octane's new universal adaptor?
3. Will it show up as a contoller or pad on XBL?
4. I want to buy the arcade mod but how close does it make the pad feel like an arcade pad?
5. With the arcade mod if i ever wanted to play PIU(not that I ever tried it.......yet) on SM will I have to take the mod out?
6. Since I want the arcade mod and since I need a adaptor for my xbox is $400.32 worth it?
7.Since the PS3 and Xbox 360 (which is all ready out which you all know of of course), will there be some sort of adpater for it?

I'm not new to DDR and have passed 10 footers(Sakura-A, Bag-A, Max 300-C, Outer Limits -B) with my Konami softpad. Will I have to get use to the pad before I can be at the same level? Thanks


1. Well I believe the game has dance play options, but if it doesnt you could do like I did and put something in between the contacts to prevent it from being triggered, but this means you'll have to use a controller when you WANT to press X...
2. What?
3. I honestly dont know as I don't have XBL
4. A lot more than if you didn't
5. Probably, you might be able to configure it to imitate a PIU arcade pad by putting the mods under the DDR arrows, I don't know about this though because I haven't tried it. I've also heard that the dimensions are wrong to play Pump, but I think it would be close enough...
6. Better than spending 400.32 on many softpads over a short period of time only to spend another 400.32 once you realize that you'll need a CF to truly be happy playing DDR/whatever
7. I don't think anyone knows the answer to that one
8?. Yes it will take a bit of getting used to if you normally play in softpads. I passed MAX300 for the first time on a softpad a week or two before i got my flux and still haven't managed to pass it on the flux after about a month of trying. (I'm getting closer though!)

I hope this helps, I'm sure you'll be okay in the xbox department, you might even want to wait a bit as the xbox control box is supposed to be out VERY SOON. I think pump should be okay too, youll have to let me know how that goes though. XBL might be okay, I think it has different results depending on the converter you buy, there may be a thread you can check out either here or at the cobalt flux website.

P.S. Fluxes are awesome, I think you would be very happy with the decision to buy one.
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How much smaller are the CF's compared to the official arcade pads? I'm over 6 feet tall and wear size 12 sneakers and the arcade pads are *just* large enough for me.
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All pads are about the same size, but arcade ones have all the extra metal on the outside.
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I was told that the Trio Linker Plus is a good lag-free adapter that works great for a mac. I just want to know if these are the same.

http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-6m-49-en-70-528.html

http://www.lik-sang.com/info.php?category=160&products_id=4532
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hmm, i've been doing DDR for quite some time now and have gotten pretty good at it, imo.

Started out with some cheap soft pads purchased at walmart.com =) (let's just say, these were a good choice to start my ddr addiction.)

getting frustrated with how these soft pads slipped, I emerged into getting 2 metal DDR pads. Not knowing nothing about the metal pads, i decided to search ebay for some cheap and decent pads. I bought 2 for $90 dollars w/ $100 dollars shipping. Both of them worked great! but just weeks ago, one of them resulted in not responding and I've concluded it was bad wiring. My other metal pad still works, but the controlbox has been not working. I'd have to re-plug it in evertime the controlbox got moved slightly.

So this as come to a point where...what should i do now?

Cobalt Flux.. *drools......
(i'd get 2, just because I like to have random people play and my friends play at the same time I do... price = around $600-$750 dollars (i like to have a doubles bar as well, longer warranty is always nice and shipping is probably in that range too)

Red Octane Afterburner... (not sure)
$199 per pad... so with two that'll be $400 dollars with shipping. I'd really save money, but is it worth it?

My current metal pad is alright, it probably stand a few months of use, but I'd probably be best getting "2" as the shipping may be combined and iam not doubling the shipping costs when i want to buy one CF now and one CF later... plus i think CF or RO has specials when you buy "2" in order.

well somethign in my mind is making me wanting to go with the afterburners, (probably because i get to "save money") but I honestly don't know. I love my metal pad, but I sorta think its time to step up and get somethign more official, since this metal pad was ebay'ed and seem to be made home made. Wiring was glued together. :| (my friend examined the pad and tried to fix it by sodering it, which didnt work out to well.)

so its:

2 Ultimate CF's
or
2 Money Saving Afterburners......

I'd appreciate some feedback. =)

Thanks! <3


edit:

theres an ebay auction of a CF in less than a day:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Cobalt-Flux-DDR-Pro-Dance-Platform-for-PSX-PS2_W0QQitemZ8258009273QQcategoryZ21188QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

but i really don't wanna do ebay for a CF.. i'd like to get it retail and with the proper warrenty =)
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