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0. PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 5:38 pm    Post subject: So this guy thinks DDR killed the U.S arcade? Reply with quote

Reading an article on Slashdot about a rant on how the game arcades of the U.S are dead, I went to the full article and noticed that his main gripe happens to be with games like Beatmania, Guitar Hero, and mentioned the harshest, DDR.

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And then Konami drove the nail through the heart of coin operated gaming...

The abomination of videogaming known as DDR served as an outlet for wannabe Travoltas to flail around wildly and quickly made the house of tank simulators and street fighting a haven for lamos.



Judging by the way he posts, it seems like this was written by somebody who shunned DDR after watching n00bs throw themselves on and fail Heavy mode songs without trying it all, and gives no really good reasoning (IMO, of coruse) as to why this killed the U.S arcade, just ranting on why he thinks it sucks.


http://www.longhairedoffender.com/article.cfm?blog_id=9994
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1. PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 5:43 pm    Post subject: Re: So this guy thinks DDR killed the U.S arcade? Reply with quote

Travelsonic wrote:
Judging by the way he posts, it seems like this was written by somebody who shunned DDR after watching n00bs throw themselves on and fail Heavy mode songs

Or maybe he threw himself on and failed Heavy mode songs, then muttered "this is for lamos" before shuffling off to his basement to bash it on the Internet. biggrin.gif
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2. PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 5:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

First of all it says BLOG in the URL.

And noticing that, I don't give a poopy what he thinks.

He wants to be too much like Maddox, and fails miserably.

The rule is, if you want to have a blog and be like maddox, you can't.

End of story.
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3. PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 6:17 pm    Post subject: Re: So this guy thinks DDR killed the U.S arcade? Reply with quote

Travelsonic wrote:
http://www.longhairedoffender.com/article.cfm?blog_id=9994
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Yeah. Did you even LOOK at the URL? laugh.gif
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4. PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 7:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah... forgot about that.... (sorry) frown.gif

Just because (according to /.) he is editor for GamePro magazine doesn't make his opinions worth a damn to me, or anybody here anyways. E4.gif
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5. PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 7:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1. GamePro magazine sucks.
2. He says he hates it bc it is a non-violent game.
3. His view is not accurate. From what I remember, one of the joys of going to an arcade was to play awesome games which were 10x better than any game possible at home. Now, it has reached the point where arcade games suck compared to the power of games at home, especially now with online play, completely eliminating the need to play against another skilled person.
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6. PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 9:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

He also misses the point that the 'house of tank simulators and street fighting' was a 'haven' for 'lamos' long before DDR arrived there. If he really was knowledgable he would at least know that DDR is a grey market cabinet and was never intended for the US - the 'Travola' reference is as innacurate as much as it dates the author. Considering that a majority of DDR players are going to associate Travola with Pulp Fiction and not dance. If you read the comments at the end of the article they give away the real answer to what killed the US arcade - monster consoles with high resolution 3D and stereo sound, and at least 2 aisles of games at every Target. If DDR did anything it kept the arcades around a little longer.
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7. PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 12:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

shadow0290 wrote:
1. GamePro magazine sucks.

QFT. It really does suck. Bad. Probably the worst gaming magazine I've ever wiped my ass with (extreme non-absorbancy).
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8. PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 11:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

welcome to the new generation. our arcades allow us to play video games where we actually do something productive for our money; we move. if we want fighting games, you can always buy a Mortal Kombat game and pwn it at home with the comfort of your own console controller.

"Americans play videogames for one reason and for one reason only, to kick ---." no. that's not the one reason, that's the MAIN reason E15.gif, which we do at home on games like Halo, SSBM, or the many many others.

but, excuse us, we don't only play video games for the sole purpose of feeling good about being better than someone else, we also do it for FUN. gasp!

edit: i quoted the article w/out realizing it said something that is filtered out, so i just put a --- in it's place. i'm sure you know what to fill it in w/.
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9. PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 10:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

He sounds like a wannabe tough-guy. Like, he's not actually a tough guy, so he simulates it by playing "manly" games. That's my take on it.
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10. PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2006 4:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I bet he has a ponytail.
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11. PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2006 8:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yikes, you'd think he was some kinda crusader for Arcades....

He obviously hasn't been to Ocean City, New Jersey; there's 6 arcades on the boardwalk up there, and all of them are doing great business. And, shockingly enough, the games most people are there to play are either DDR or PIU E15.gif .

It's people like this joker who give people with any kind of long hair a bad name; my name here says it all laugh.gif . And yet, i'm not a biased, bad tempered SOB like this chucklehead.

(sigh) When will game mag editors learn... E15.gif
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12. PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 9:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you dont like it, no ones making you play it. Plain and Simple.
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13. PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 8:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

He seems to miss the fact that these games provide the arcade with most of the money for repairs OF the other games. So, he needs to go F*** himself.
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14. PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 8:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been to some arcades where the DDR players were so bumhole-ish, awful and full of themselves to hang around that I quit going to those places. I think that's what he might be talking about.

I don't agree with this:
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Gaming isn't about having family-friendly fun

Too bad for him that that's the only successful path that arcades have to take to make profit nowadays.
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15. PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 11:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well - I presented my stance on it. I was trying to be objective and not a jerk.

Here's what I said:

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Apparently - you seem to know nothing about the arcade industry and how the market works.

It has always been the Japanese gaming companies that import what people consider to be the "best action games" - Capcom (Street Fighter series), SNK Playmore (Darkstalkers, Final Fight), Konami (Contra, Gradius), Namco (Soul Calibur, Tekken) and Sega (Virtua Fighter). Rarely will an American company come in and take a stake at having a good game - Midway is an example of this. Mortal Kombat did very well.

Too bad you also lost when you stated that the arcade isn't about "family friendly fun". Incorrect. The arcade has always been about kids and will remain so. Hence why arcades have always had what they like to call "Redemption Counters". You know, the place where they give away the little prizes for tickets?

Sure, a lot of the games weren't like that but arcades always made a point in having a section of "family friendly" games. That still holds true today.

And don't give me this crap about how Konami's brand of music games (also known as BEMANI) ruined the arcade. If anything, the lack of innovation and the allure of the home market for consumers is what killed the luster of the arcade for many people. Arcades lots their shine the second the Super Nintendo and Sega Genesis hit the market. That's the exact time the popularity of the arcade declined rapidly. Because suddenly, instead of having to go to the local mall or wherever to pump quarters into a machine, all you had to do was sit down in front of your television set and pop in your favorite arcade game and you were good to go.

The ads for the systems even talked about "All your arcade favorites here on the [insert console name here]!"

If the BEMANI line of video games did anything, it saved arcades from dying off completely. Arcade Game ports of fighting games like Tekken and other games like Time Crisis are 99% of the time perfect ports of their arcade counterparts, you can even buy arcade style joysticks. The BEMANI games however, Dance Dance Revolution, Beatmania and the others - are never complete ports of the arcade version. You cannot replicate the arcade experience of playing DDR at home short of buying a machine. It is innovative - it makes you do something different for a change. Same for all the BEMANI games (Beatmania, Pop'n Music, Guitar Freaks, Drum Mania and the rest) - they all make you do something that is different from the norm in the arcades.

Now, people may say that you're hating on these games because you tried them and sucked at them (which is usually the case) - but a lot of people don't like the music or they just don't like the idea behind the game. And that's fine, you don't like it.

But you should give Konami their credit. They did not kill the arcade - they saved it. You're just upset that they saved it with a game that is so radically different from what you perceive as a "perfect arcade game".

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16. PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 2:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

disgust.gif Am I going to be able to comment on this without blowing up on this turd of a man? *sighs and takes a deep breath* I'll try my best.

Okay. First off, tell me where you can find an arcade that has DDR. So, when you go in there, instead of only focusing on the DDR system there, why don't you actually freaking OPEN YOUR EYES and look at SOMETHING ELSE in the arcade. OMFG, what a F***ING CONCEPT.

Okay, if you DO take a look around, what else is there? Hmmm... let's see... there's the ski ball ramps, but of course, they're not video games, so they can't be good, right? What else is there? Oh yeah, there's miniature golf courts or bumper boats at some of the places... but those just couldn't POSSIBLY be used for "family fun", right? Then there's basketball hoop games, air hockey, and the ever-so-famous-yet-deadly "Knock a token in, hit the flag, and get so-many-numbers of tokens back!!!" games (of which I reluctantly boycott, they are VERY addicting). Gee... now if you were to say that Konami has invented something that's killed the US arcade, I'd first say, aren't you taking things a little harshly?

First thing's first, you need to recognize what kind of shape the American arcade was even BEFORE DDR showed up. With the continuous streams of new game systems, all the arcade games were quickly getting turned into home system games, until finally, most new games that came out skipped coming out on an actual arcade and just went straight to home systems. The truth is, my near-sighted friend, that although you may not want to admit it, the American arcade was dying.

When DDR came along, it was taken into arcades as a plea for survival, because most Japanese games always created a new revolution of the arcade. By the time the 7th mix (DDR MAX 2) arrived, this new game took America by storm.

Now, before you go on blabbering that the game only makes people turn into "Travolta wannabes," think about this: about how much exercise does the average American get in a week? Anywhere from 3 hours to NONE AT ALL. Now, granted, there are people who DO get on the game and act like idiots, but they do it on purpose. DDR is not only meant to be a game to play with music, but for exercising the body.

So, if you take all these thoughts, put them together and whirl them in a blender, they all come out with the same conclusion: DDR is NOT an arcade menace, it did NOT kill the US arcade, and it most certainly NOT be going away anytime soon. So if you're still going to go on and on and on, whining about how much DDR sucks and it killed the arcade, then please, by all means... *points to a corner of the room* If you're going to act like a child and can only complain about something WITHOUT looking at the positives... then go into the corner, suck on your thumb, and cry, complain, and b!tch however you'd like, because that's what you TRULY deserve.

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*nearly breaks something as she storms off*
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17. PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 2:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

*sigh* I still like ddr even better than I do with ITG but here's what I posted.

DDR isn't made for the US market. Then again, I believe you're wrong about ddr being the abomination of the arcades. Sadly, enough you don't know anything about the arcade industry and how it works. It's clearly, that you hate non-violent games. I think the most important thing in the country is family. Which is why there's ticket redemption games. Hell if the kids like it then more power to them. People in the united states like the game and like it is because it's exercise and a social factor. I believe that what all americans do with video games. It's more of a social thing. Statistically speaking out of the entire world we rank number 1 amoungst people that are obese. In my honest opinion you're an idiot.
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The problem with being near Liverpool is that DDR machines are often surrounded by scallies, who either spend hours on the machine, who stand on the pads without actually playing, or walk up, see someone playing on their own and jump on to the 2nd pad to start "playing along". They never attempt the latter when I'm playing (or anyone good - I haven't really seen any), because, well, they're teenage girls and they regard a 4 footer as amazing.

I hope I've caused no offense to any decent female teenage DDR players.
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hey im a teenage girl and i think a three footer is increaably easy of course thats cuz i can play like heavy/oni songs so anything is easy
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