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Which songs should be 1 step higher/lower?
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80. PostPosted: Tue Dec 27, 2005 12:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've only been playing ITG recently, but I've played enough to have strong opinion about something.


How can a song like Vertex Expert be equated to Hardcore of the North or Euphoria Expert. Is it just me or is Vertex like the hardest 11, but too easy to be a 12 or something?

I mean, if I can almost pass Vertex, then it can't be a 12-footer because I can't even do all the 11-footers.
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81. PostPosted: Tue Dec 27, 2005 12:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tyrgannus wrote:
How can a song like Vertex Expert be equated to Hardcore of the North or Euphoria Expert


Where does it say that every song within a difficulty rating has to be exactly as hard as all the others?

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Is it just me or is Vertex like the hardest 11, but too easy to be a 12 or something?


Is it just me or is Vertex like the easiest 12, but too hard to be an 11 or something?

There's no difference.
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82. PostPosted: Tue Dec 27, 2005 6:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tyrgannus wrote:
I've only been playing ITG recently, but I've played enough to have strong opinion about something.


How can a song like Vertex Expert be equated to Hardcore of the North or Euphoria Expert. Is it just me or is Vertex like the hardest 11, but too easy to be a 12 or something?

I mean, if I can almost pass Vertex, then it can't be a 12-footer because I can't even do all the 11-footers.


it's also like saying how is Destiny is equal to Hardcore Symphony. HS has like 3 more 16th-note runs, way more crossovers, no real rest during the song. but.....i find destiny to have harder 16th runs

you cannot compare 2 songs with the same difficulty, because they are different. Vertex is a 12 because of the various speed changes (for ppl with difficulty with slow-fast speed mods), HOTN is a 12 because it has 898 steps (nuff said), euphoria is a 12 because of the complicated steps that makes it hard to FA.

for many, vertex is easy. others find it hard. i know one of my friends who can pass pandy expert with 84%, but he cannot finish vertex because 1x is too slow and 1.5x is too fast (for ending).

i can't wait what the 3rd vertex has in store for us biggrin.gif
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83. PostPosted: Wed Dec 28, 2005 10:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I mean, if I can almost pass Vertex, then it can't be a 12-footer because I can't even do all the 11-footers.

I've passed five 12's and I still haven't passed all the 11's. If you were really horrible at avoiding mines and/or you can't read varying speeds, I could see how Vertex could be a very difficult song. I personally can't do long 16th note runs very well, so I still have yet to pass Hardcore Symphony, Pandemonium Hard and a few other 11's that I can't remember off the top of my head. People also say that Delirium is one of the easiest 12's, but I'm not even close to getting through that end run. Although because I can do jackhammers really well for some reason, and I have a lot of stamina, I can do Euphoria and HOTN no problem. However, I don't think Delirium should be a 13 just because I can't get through that end run. My point is that you can't use your own strengths/weaknesses to determine the all around difficulty of a song.
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84. PostPosted: Thu Dec 29, 2005 4:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Synaesthesia wrote:
Liquid Moon as a 9 is really dumb.

Isn't Liquid Moon a 10 anyway in the ITG ps2 version?
anyhows Vertex should be a 11 not 10 on hard, I mean it's do-ble, but it gets pretty stamina draining.
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85. PostPosted: Thu Dec 29, 2005 8:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bloodrush --> 13 (speed mod whores who don't play 1x can seriously not pass this due to a slowdown which isn't a slowdown in the first place stupid Roxor who don't know much about BPMs and music, like in Kagami as well and many other songs with BPM changes in songs that don't change BPM, not to mention huge streams of fast crossovers)
Hardcore Symphony --> 12 (tough freeze crossovers, very fast stream)
D-Code --> 9
On a Day Like Today --> 10 (The ending is far too hard for a 9 foot player)

These are the only things at the immediate moment I think should obviously be changed, although maybe Hardcore Symphony --> 12 could be considered as well.

The person who said Destiny is a 12 can't be serious, that song is easy as crap compared to most of the other 11s.

As for Vertex, it was the only 12 foot besides Bloodrush and Go 60 Go I failed on a sight read. And playing at 1x because of the speed up can really hurt if your a mod whore. Oh, and I failed Queen of Light on a sight read as well, and passed HOTN and Tell the set after. I have 98.48% on QoL right now, but it is definately a 10, and probably a 12 to people who aren't good at hands.
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86. PostPosted: Thu Dec 29, 2005 9:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Let My Love Go Blind" on Expert should be a 10; it's got many different types of step patterns that are quite difficult actually. There are 8th note streams with mines in between, there are hands (I think), streams, etc.
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87. PostPosted: Thu Dec 29, 2005 9:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

figgy20000 wrote:
The person who said Destiny is a 12 can't be serious, that song is easy as crap compared to most of the other 11s.


I'm quite serious, Triple-jumps and long streams tire anybody out, + the fact that it has a supersonic BPM compared to the other 11's.
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88. PostPosted: Fri Dec 30, 2005 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DemonHybrid wrote:
figgy20000 wrote:
The person who said Destiny is a 12 can't be serious, that song is easy as crap compared to most of the other 11s.


I'm quite serious, Triple-jumps and long streams tire anybody out, + the fact that it has a supersonic BPM compared to the other 11's.


Compared to Hardcore Symphony and Monolith?
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