In The Groove coming to PCs and Macs

[nekura]

[arnoct]

Heh... Coming soon from steam, IN THE GROOVE!

:'(
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[Alezay]

[DDRNemesis]

[J. S. Mill]

[nekura]

[VxJasonxV]

[Synaesthesia]

[DBack]

Someone posted that Uh La La La has a handplant.

That's true, but that's widely considered to have been an accident. [Especially for the sake of DDR-style (as opposed to ITG-style) simfile tournaments. And I mean tournaments like DDROSC, those of nDDRo, and PROBABLY DDRei's Tournamixes. But even outside the frame of these tournaments it still probably was just something someone messed up.]
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[Edible Bondage Tape]

[ranatalus]

alright, going through this thread and correcting comments that are yet to be corrected:

yyr: If your stance on the illegality of downloading simfiles is really that strong, I hope you don't have stepmania installed. You said that roxor doesn't want people creating/downloading simfiles, but won't do anything to stop it from occuring (yes, I know, you say it would be suicidal but that's really no excuse). In my mind, that means they really don't care THAT much. Also, Survival courses aren't THAT much different from Oni courses, except that instead of your goal being to full combo the course, your goal has to be to AAA it. OOPS GASP I MEAN FULL EXCELLENT COMBO.

PendanticOmbudsman: Last I knew, andamiro was doing more than just manufacturing cabinets, they were also providing lawyers, so that $2.5 mil is pure profit, and split amongst what, 10 employees? $250,000 to make simfiles ain't bad, along with whatever day jobs they have.

AceJay: If people can crack konami's encryption on home releases I doubt roxor can come up with anything better to prevent people from ripping files out.

arnoct: So what if Andamiro is distributing the cabinets? There were handplants in ITG1, when the only available model was a sidegrade kit for DDR machines. Mod courses really ARE just Trick Oni, but taken a step further with mod changes in the middle of the song. Isn't there some mode on PIU that does this? I have only played PIU a few times so I don't know for sure. Also, ITG's arrows look like garbage, they're ugly as hell.

As for roxor flip-flopping, I certainly recall them stating that the timing windows for ITG CS would be the same as ITG AC, but that did not happen. The timing windows were made slightly larger due to the fact that it is inherently harder to PA at home, but this did not seem to become fairly public knowledge.


Lastly, what I assume Uiru meant by "5th mix freeze arrows" is the long stream of jackhammmers on CSFILSM and Paranoia Eternal. These are sort of similar to rolls, as they require you to repeatedly hammer one arrow. I wouldn't say they are exactly alike, but a similar concept.
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Phrekwenci wrote:

Yea all this sounds nice and corny and I'm sure you are going to open up a can of LOL and pour it on the floor to roll around in

[orb]

So far rolls in ITG have only been used in pairs (please correct me if I'm wrong) so it's not like CSFILSM. You're alternating between feet so you aren't just repeatedly stepping on one particular arrow.

The ITG home version's timing window is slightly larger than in the arcade to compensate for pad delays due to the wide variety of pads out there. But it's only a tiny bit; DDR home versions had a huge time window widening.

No, marathon is not "Trick Oni." Do you see the stationary arrows drifting in Trick Oni? Do you see blinking arrows that spin around? You see all sorts of imaginative stuff on marathon courses. Just because DDR had a similar concept in one course does not mean you should label ITG's courses as mere ripoffs.

Survival's different than Oni too. You're trying to keep seconds on the clock by stepping accurately. In oni you're just trying to keep playing by stepping at all. They're not exactly the same. Although they are similar in some ways, variation is a good thing.

I'm not going to argue that ITG is a ripoff of DDR, but one has to admit that had ITG not been released, the DDR community would slowly diminish, as the arcade mixes have pretty much stopped. And ITG is new. It has challenge. It has creativity. Oh, and it's fun. Isn't that why everyone here started playing dance games in the first place?

[yyr]

[Same]

[Joel Stud?!]

Ok, let's sum this all up...

1) Fanboyism is dumb (where as a fanboy is someone who blindly and blatantly defends one item as superior to the other, usually considering it to have no flaws or justifying flaws with claims that have no point).

2) The point of arrow-smash is to have fun. it doesn't matter with what game you have it. Bias should not happen.

3) Don't do illegal things. The whole arrow-smash community will go down the drain unless we start supporting the companies that make the games rather than reproducing them with emulators. If you own ITG PS2, no, this is not for you (unless you really want the bonus stuff). There are some people that don't have PS2s who may get into arrow-smash because they have a game available for them to play.

4) RoXor and Konami are BOTH just tryin' to earn a buck. Neither will continue to produce music and rythym games unless they are making a profit off of them.

5) Just because something doesn't appeal to you does not mean that you have the right to degrade it. State your opinion as an opinion, not as a fact that transends laws and morals.

6) Konami vs. RoXor is not a very important case for anyone except for us. There is legitimate grounds for them to be in court. I will not say that either party is responsible for comitting a crime, but it is possible, probable, and try to base this on reason and legal knowledge, not whether or not you enjoy playing game X.

7) Contructive criticism please. Could we for one second remember what the thread is about and perhaps either a- help out someone on the board that is confused or has questions/ b- help RoXor, or perhaps even konami, in making their future releases better. One of the points I mentioned above (which have all been prominent in this thread) actually has to do with the thread's purpose, and that's probably one of the least talked about items so far.

Finally, I fully endorse ITG PC. Earlier today I replied to a thread in Console Games where someone without a console was trying to find the best way for them to get DDR on a tight budget. For them, ITG PC is the solution. Assuming they have a PC, they can easily purchase this and be able to play arrow-smash wihout spending the extra cash on a console to play it on. Perhaps if the companies made parallel releases for PC with their console releases (releasing the PS2 and XBOX games for PC) it might do well. This may be less in demand, but it WOULD make the games available to almost everybody, as almost everybody has a computer. It may not be the best thing for the people on this baord. Most of us have at least one console, if not two or more. We already have DDR and/or ITG. For the people without a console this is the answer. just because it's less in demand doesn't mean there's not a market.

[Snapps50]

Hah I bet somehow we can get our SM songs on it.

But whatever, it's just for profit and since I already have SM and the files, i'd rather not buy it. Let the people that don't know what SM is get it.

[VxJasonxV]

[Travelsonic]

[Cutriss]

[gay dentist]

*Looks Around*
*Thinks to himself...DAMN! I am still[u] the only one here that hasn't played ITG*