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The Letter J
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920.  Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 9:58 am Post subject: |
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Yes is it a waste of money. Some more things that piss me off...
13) People who expect all Asians to be on heavy or higher >_<. This really annoyed me, because i went to Gameworks and played DDR there and there was a semi long line. When it was some Asian guy's turn, a couple of guys in front of me were making comments that he was gonna be a pro and he would be entertaining to see and crap like that. He was only on 5 footer songs, and the guys acted all disappointed. >_<
14) Girls who like to sing with the song while i'm dancing.
15) People who do not ask permission to shadow
16) People who mock dance behind you or on the side while ur on the machine.
17) Arcades that host a DDR machine, but all the other games are for little kids.
18) Arcades that do not clean the metal dance pads, replace broken ones, and/or not getting the offical metal pad.
19) People who say that they're better than you, but do not dance.
20) People who cannot admit that they need more practice. I beat this one guy at Replay, and when he lost, he told me that he suycked bcuz he was sick - then he left. >_<
21) Guys who think that any dude that plays DDR is gay.
22) People who patronize DDR. |
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| 921. Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 11:40 am Post subject: |
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And personally, I don't like when people are mad at people for playing on beginner at arcades...
Not all of us wanna hunt down a properly working Playstation/ Xbox (especially when we don't plan to play any other games for it other than DDR), a DDR game (without half the songs we like), and a worthy mat for like a total of something-over two-hundred bucks at the least, depending on the quality and old/newness of everything. Guess you could get all bad quality things for less than a hundred, but odds are, the console wouldn't work, the pad would suck, or the game would be scratched beyond reason... and then there's how few people you know play DDR. Or how no one you know has DDR at home. Cause I was a beginnner; arcade-ed my way to relatively easy heavy songs. I figure you can't get mad at a person who does actually wanna have fun playing DDR, right? Well, that's me...
... okay, it IS kinda annoying seeing them fail songs like Graduation, but it shouldn't totally make someone angry...
Mmm... gotta agree on the beginners-not-accepting-advice thing, though. That does get annoying, when you're just trying to help... and stereotypes in general are not good. |
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| 922. Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 11:56 am Post subject: |
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| The Letter J wrote: |
2) People who actually play beginner.
7) When people get congradulated for doing light or beginner.
10) when people get impressed with light or lower |
Shit like this pisses me off the most. You get mad at people who patronize DDR, and yet you patronize the Beginner Members? They're the future of the DDR community and you basically just piss all over them because they're beginners. Get over yourself, Christ.
If you don't give these kids/whatever positive reinforcement (i.e. "Awesome job! You cleared it!", even though they only got a D on Graduation. Or "Hey, you'll get better!" when they fail something like Senorita) then they'll stop playing because they think they suck. And there goes the future of the DDR community as we know it. Beginners get discouraged REALLY REALLY easy. Unless they're just overly obsessed with DDR.
Most bystanders who have NEVER played DDR will find Light impressive because of the fact that the people playing can actually hit the arrows. People playing on Heavy impresses bystanders, but also scares most of them off.
You HAVE to treat the beginners just like you'd want anyone else treating you for playing a dancing game. None of you like getting made fun of, and yet quite a few of you hate on the beginners. You were all beginners once, remember that.
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| 923. Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 12:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Well. I'm sorry if that offends you. On the inside, I get annoyed by beginners, but I don't show it. I tolerate them and do congradulate the people who look like they actually tried. But people who only play to stomp the crap out of it and don't accept even the smallest of advice AND still continue to play, really pisses me off. As for once being a beginner, I understand this. Even when i first tried the DDR machine in general, i did a lot of things that I now consider annoying. Believe me, i try to get people hooked on DDR even if they are extremely slow learning. |
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| 924. Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2005 10:18 am Post subject: Snickerdoodle sandwich |
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Hmm... I HATE it when people literally can NOT play without speed mods. (I mean that it is actually impossible for them to read it on 1x)
I also hate it when people play 'bag' on 5x speed(or 8x  )
I don't like when people BRAG about a AAA on an easy song when they had to use speed mods to get it
I hate when people try to shadow without permission
I hate when people shadow and try to freestyle to upstage me
I hate when people who are better than me are assholes
I hate when people who AREN'T better than me are assholes
I hate when people play barefoot
I hate when people get their feet wet and then screw up the pad so when i go up I get that squeaky sticky feeling on the pad that makes you stop short if you try to slide... you know what I am talking about
I hate it when people who have been playing longer than a year don't know where any of the songs on DDR are from (like which game of origin)
I hate it when people think that songs originated from their American home versions...
...I flip out so bad when people think KONAMIX is an arcade version somewhere 
I hate when people can't laugh at their own mistakes especially when they mess up freestyling... I always laugh about it 
I hate it when machines are overpriced
I hate it when people make fun of DDR players
I hate it when ITG players don't give any credit at all to DDR
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| 926. Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2005 10:54 am Post subject: |
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The only thing that really bothers me outside of my previous post is the fanboys for each dancing game that refuse to legitimately try the other games.
DDR <---> PIU I understand a little more than DDR <---> ITG because PIU is a different arrow layout and it is frustrating.
But the comments of "OMFG ITG SUCKS AND I HATE IT" or "PIU IS WORTHLESS" when those people haven't even tried the game are really obnoxious. Now, if someone hates ITG but they actually played the game and tried to enjoy it then I can understand. Same thing with PIU.
I can also understand ITG players not liking DDR anymore because ITG has "better offerings" or whatever. However, I do not like the people that completely dismiss DDR as a "worthless, outdated piece of shit". DDR got 99% of you guys into the dance game community and the 1% that it didn't, don't go bitching about DDR until you've tried it. Why in the hell are you crapping all over it now? Because you're whiny that Konami of JAPAN didn't cater to your every whim and desire?
Tough cookies, kids.
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| 927. Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2005 11:06 am Post subject: |
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I hate it when ppl say using the bar is retarded, and in the same time complain that they cannot pass 10s because the steps are too fast.
I hate it when ppl brag about their no-bar accomplishments and say "no bar" like 10 times in the same sentence.
I hate it when ppl step on the pad with their WET and snowy boots, and later i have to clean the pad up.
I REALLY hate it when some random punk just comes on the ITG pad (player 2 side) and dances like a moron just to distract me, while i try to FA 
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Yarni
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| 928. Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2005 4:07 pm Post subject: Re: Snickerdoodle sandwich |
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| William Howard Taft wrote: | | yarni wrote: | Hmm... I HATE it when people literally can NOT play without speed mods. (I mean that it is actually impossible for them to read it on 1x)
I also hate it when people play 'bag' on 5x speed(or 8x )
I don't like when people BRAG about a AAA on an easy song when they had to use speed mods to get it
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| yarni wrote: | I hate when people who are better than me are assholes
I hate when people who AREN'T better than me are assholes |
Maybe they're assholes because you cut down their accomplishments for using speed mods (which happen to be a standard part of the game).
| yarni wrote: | | I hate it when ITG players don't give any credit at all to DDR |
Kind of ironic considering you only count the accomplishments of people who use your exact playstyle, and everyone else is wrong.
What really annoys me about DDR is people who cut down the accomplishments of others. Quit menstruating about it and just fucking deal with it already. |
well, obviously you didn't read that carefully enough... The problem I have with ITG players is that they make fun of and give no credit to DDR (THE DDR MACHINE, NOT THE DDR PLAYERS)
Also, a AAA is hard to get no matter what, and it is deserving of cangratulations... notice i capitalized BRAG, because if you gloat about an EASY song, like 'Kind Lady' with speed mods, then just shut up, okay you AAA'd it, that's very cool, but you lost your bragging rights to it...
No, I don't make fun of everyone who uses a different style of playing, when I say assholes, I mean people who are mean before I even say a word. If they are only defending themselves because of MY being an bumhole, that doesn't count, they are just defending themselves, but if they start it then THEY are the assholes... duh. Noobs who are assjoles are like... kids who do 'A' 3 times and a row and think they are better than everyone else and give you poopy about any song you choose other than the ones they like... example: I choose 'be in my paradise' on 1x... "omg this song is gay, you suck" "wtf this is too slow, I can do better than you" because maybe they think faster is better/harder???
Also, keep in mind I am not here to be a "fan boy" (not in this topic anyway...) I am just stating things that piss me off... If I knew where all of the ITG songs came from and someone said something completely wrong and really stupid, I would prolly yell at them too, cuz sometimes it is better to just not say anything if you think you might be wrong...
Also... SPEED MODS ARE NOT A STANDARD PART OF THE GAME... have you ever played:
Dance Dance Revolution?
Dance Dance Revolution 2nd MIX
Dance Dance Revolution Club MIX
Dance Dance Revolution 3rd MIX(es)
Dance Dance Revolution 4th MIX(es)
Dance Dance Revolution 5th MIX
Dance Dance Revolution SOLO(mixes)
most of the Dancing Stage games...
etcetera
wow i have been away from my computer for so long, i don't even remember what I was typing... well, here you go. |
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| 929. Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2005 6:38 pm Post subject: Re: Snickerdoodle sandwich |
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| yarni wrote: |
I hate it when ITG players don't give any credit at all to DDR
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Well said. I have no problem with ITG, but I hate it when people constantly bash DDR for being "worse than ITG" or "boring and slow and easy." I know two people like that that play in my area and all they ever do is talk about how DDR blows. They don't even wait for someone to bring up the discussion, they just see you and tell you how much DDR sucks compared to ITG.
There's this kid my friends and I know from school who only started playing to fit in with us. He has no real knowledge or respect, even a liking for the game really, he just wants to have the ability to do it so he can be more like us. It's really annoying. The other day he asked me if I thought he could do Living In America on Heavy, so I told him as long as he could pull off the cross-overs. I preceded to show him how before he picked it, but all he had to say was, "I don't think so, I hate cross-overs."
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| 930. Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2005 6:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Zajitarrius wrote: | | I can also understand ITG players not liking DDR anymore because ITG has "better offerings" or whatever. However, I do not like the people that completely dismiss DDR as a "worthless, outdated piece of shit". |
Well, I'm sure nobody wants to feel that way, but truth be told, after you've played ITG (especially on an ITG2 dedicab) for a while and gotten adapted to it, it literally does become extremely awkard and painful (both mentally and physically) to try to play DDR again. The transition from DDR to ITG is a comparatively easy transition compared to trying to go back later, especially after you've worked up the ability to read at extremely high speeds. It's kind of like playing Playstation 2 games for three solid days and then trying to play an 8-bit NES game -- you'll definitely notice the difference.
The ITG arrows are smaller, especially if you play on Hallway, and DDR's arrows will just seem GIGANTIC and extremely clumsy. They'll trip you up a lot. The low-res grapics will also be difficult to look at after getting acclimated to ITG's graphics.
In ITG, because the arrows are smaller, the "path" they take up the screen is much longer in relative arrow-width terms, especially if you use Hallway, which gives you more reaction time. So you're able to learn to handle ridiculously fast scroll speeds and gain the ability to jack up your speed mods tremendously beyond anything you could have ever dreamed of in DDR. Once you've gained the ability to handle speeds like that, DDR will just seem painfully slow, like the arrows are hardly moving at all. And if you try to compensate by jacking up the speed mod on DDR (despite DDR's limited selection of speed mods), the larger arrows & shorter relative arrow path will cut tremendously into your reaction times.
On Stepmania (keyboard), I always use C700 Hallway, and on ITG2 arcade machines I'm catching up with that and can comfortably read ~600BPM on Hallway. Once you've learned to read at speeds like that, DDR just does not feel very good, because it'll either be outlandishly slow, or you won't be able to pick the speed mod you want (no x2.5, x4, or C450), or you'll try to get rid of the slowness by using the same speed you'd use on ITG and find that your reaction time is cut tremendously because of DDR's gigantic, clunky arrows and the very short path they take (in terms of arrow-widths) up the screen.
DDR is a great game, yes. DDR is an important part of the cultural heritage that led to the creation of ITG. DDR's super and awesome and all that, but once you've played something better, it's just extremely uncomfortable to try to go back.
There's an old saying: "you can't go home again." Have you heard it? Do you know what it means in philosophical terms? This is a phrase that's very near to my heart. It's a painful truth, but it's a universal truth.
You can't go home again.
| yarni wrote: | | Also... SPEED MODS ARE NOT A STANDARD PART OF THE GAME... |
Not a standard part of which game?
They've been a standard part of DDR since... hmm... 2000 or so?
They've been a standard part of ITG since the very first unit shipped.
They've been a standard part of PIU since... well, I don't know when, but it's been a while.
Speed mods have been around just as long as freeze arrows. Do you think that freeze arrows are "not a standard part of the game"?
If speed mods aren't "standard", then neither are freeze arrows, and I guess you'd better always turn freezes off, otherwise it's not "authentic" DDR.
Something like 90% of DDR arcade machines still in public use have speed mods, and the other 10% probably get considerably less than 10% of total DDR arcade usage. Really, considering how old even DDR Extreme is, do you really want to use some obscure antique like DDR 3rd Korean v2 to prove your point, when the vast majority of machines out there today disprove your point? Fine, go play DDR 3rd Korean v2 or whatever ( <3 Gamyunwi Shigan), but don't call it the "standard" anything.
You can't go home again.
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| 931. Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2005 7:04 pm Post subject: |
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i hate it when peeple who play and hog the machine and brag how good they are and they got an a on senorita on begginer
i hate peeple who play the same songs for 3 hours
i hate it when peeple play butter fly 65974206574 times
i hate it when peeple hate bag cuz its slow
i hate peeple who pick songs when your in a group and the pick a slow song and give you no chance to use speed mods
i hate peeple who stomp with passion they're breaking the pad faster than i do (im in heavy and never stompt)
i hate peeple who play on my side of the pad with dirty shoes/boots
i hate peeple who hate it when u use the bar i mean its your dissision to use it or not i use it to regain balence and nothing else
i hate you jk lol
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| 932. Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2005 7:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Legend Of Zelda Addic wrote: | | i hate it when peeple play butter fly 65974206574 times |
Holy poopy, this is pretty creepy, but Butterfly was my first Stepmania AAA, and I had to do it exactly 65974206574 times to AAA it (I still have the screenshots of 65974206123 black flags). How did you know?! |
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| 933. Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2005 10:00 pm Post subject: |
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I hate people like pretty much every person who said the phrase "I hate people who" or "I hate it when people" and continue with something about a style of play, besides anything that breaks the machine. (eg. "I hate it when people play with the bar")
You're basically saying "I hate it when people play the way they prefer to play".
No, it's not ruining the game if they play the way they want to.
And if you're going to complain about mods, think about it in the way of fighting games for example.
If you play one game, and a new version comes out, and your favorite character has some new moves, would you never use them because they aren't in the first game? That just makes no sense. People add things into games to enhance the game. It's up to you if you use it or not.
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| 934. Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2005 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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| PedanticOmbudsman wrote: | In ITG, because the arrows are smaller, the "path" they take up the screen is much longer in relative arrow-width terms, especially if you use Hallway, which gives you more reaction time. So you're able to learn to handle ridiculously fast scroll speeds and gain the ability to jack up your speed mods tremendously beyond anything you could have ever dreamed of in DDR. Once you've gained the ability to handle speeds like that, DDR will just seem painfully slow, like the arrows are hardly moving at all. And if you try to compensate by jacking up the speed mod on DDR (despite DDR's limited selection of speed mods), the larger arrows & shorter relative arrow path will cut tremendously into your reaction times.
On Stepmania (keyboard), I always use C700 Hallway, and on ITG2 arcade machines I'm catching up with that and can comfortably read ~600BPM on Hallway. Once you've learned to read at speeds like that, DDR just does not feel very good, because it'll either be outlandishly slow, or you won't be able to pick the speed mod you want (no x2.5, x4, or C450), or you'll try to get rid of the slowness by using the same speed you'd use on ITG and find that your reaction time is cut tremendously because of DDR's gigantic, clunky arrows and the very short path they take (in terms of arrow-widths) up the screen.
DDR is a great game, yes. DDR is an important part of the cultural heritage that led to the creation of ITG. DDR's super and awesome and all that, but once you've played something better, it's just extremely uncomfortable to try to go back.
There's an old saying: "you can't go home again." Have you heard it? Do you know what it means in philosophical terms? This is a phrase that's very near to my heart. It's a painful truth, but it's a universal truth.
You can't go home again. |
Nonono, basically what you just said is ITG provides a handicap to people that have touble with reaction times, and also you just proved my old point that playing without speedmods takes more skill and seems more impressive now... thanks
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| yarni wrote: | | Also... SPEED MODS ARE NOT A STANDARD PART OF THE GAME... |
Not a standard part of which game?
They've been a standard part of DDR since... hmm... 2000 or so?
They've been a standard part of ITG since the very first unit shipped.
They've been a standard part of PIU since... well, I don't know when, but it's been a while.
Speed mods have been around just as long as freeze arrows. Do you think that freeze arrows are "not a standard part of the game"?
If speed mods aren't "standard", then neither are freeze arrows, and I guess you'd better always turn freezes off, otherwise it's not "authentic" DDR.
Something like 90% of DDR arcade machines still in public use have speed mods, and the other 10% probably get considerably less than 10% of total DDR arcade usage. Really, considering how old even DDR Extreme is, do you really want to use some obscure antique like DDR 3rd Korean v2 to prove your point, when the vast majority of machines out there today disprove your point? Fine, go play DDR 3rd Korean v2 or whatever ( <3 Gamyunwi Shigan), but don't call it the "standard" anything.
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why are you being so close-minded, even my mind seems wide open compared to what you just said... c'mon. we were talking about DDR first of all, and SPEED MODS ARE NOT STANDARD and no freezes arent a standard part of the game either, they are like mines, they are custom to that songs step chart, turning them off is wrong, because then you wouldn't be doing the originally planned song. speeding up a song like 'bag' also changes the difficulty of the song... people should be able to just play a normal game without mods, it just really bugs me... and stop with the 3rd mix korean crap, obviously you grew up on extreme or something, or you might try reffering to 4th or 5th mix... and also i know i will sound like a fanboy, but how can you miss all of those "sounds of 2001" stickers?!? obviously you are a noob, because you havent played much 5th mix (yes, anyone who grew up on max, max2 or extreme is a NOOB in my eyes, or at least a newbie) 5th mix came out in 2001, and then MAX came out later that year, so speed mods arent that old... and they have only been around for 3 mixes... and yeah, i do think DDR would be 10x better with NO speed mods and NO freeze arrows... who needs either?
another thing... pre-MAX mixes arent scarcely played cuz of the lack of speed mods... the are scarcely played because the yare scarce... period... everyone thought EXTREME was just the greatest thing ever, well now they are everywhere and it is so boring i want to cry... anywhere that has a pre-MAX mix usually has a bunch of hard to find games... until they get that idea that an upgrade would be a good idea... which it usually isn't... |
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| 935. Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2005 10:27 pm Post subject: |
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sorry for the double post, but...
| PedanticOmbudsman wrote: |
On Stepmania (keyboard), I always use C700 Hallway, and on ITG2 arcade machines I'm catching up with that and can comfortably read ~600BPM on Hallway. Once you've learned to read at speeds like that, DDR just does not feel very good, because it'll either be outlandishly slow, or you won't be able to pick the speed mod you want (no x2.5, x4, or C450) |
WTF?!?! Who NEEDS those type of mods?!?!? also: C-Mods make me sick... It takes all of the challenge out of a song... BPM changes were made for a REASON! Congrats, you have disgusted me , sorry if this sounds harsh...
And since when is NORMAL considered "SLOW"???
| PedanticOmbudsman wrote: | | or you'll try to get rid of the slowness by using the same speed you'd use on ITG and find that your reaction time is cut tremendously because of DDR's gigantic, clunky arrows and the very short path they take (in terms of arrow-widths) up the screen. |
wow... so now DDR is gigantic an clunky... yeah okay, and ITG is too small and scrunched up... which is exactly why you can't play without speed mods... come on!! take a step back and look at the cause and effect! all ITG is, is stepmania in a cabinet, anyways, so that explains all of the other rediculous mods...
| Demon Bryant wrote: | I hate people like pretty much every person who said the phrase "I hate people who" or "I hate it when people" and continue with something about a style of play, besides anything that breaks the machine. (eg. "I hate it when people play with the bar")
You're basically saying "I hate it when people play the way they prefer to play".
No, it's not ruining the game if they play the way they want to.
And if you're going to complain about mods, think about it in the way of fighting games for example.
If you play one game, and a new version comes out, and your favorite character has some new moves, would you never use them because they aren't in the first game? That just makes no sense. People add things into games to enhance the game. It's up to you if you use it or not. |
well when people play the way they do with WET SHOES... I do HATE it.
Also, as for the fighting game reference... I'm not sure about the way you use it... Think about it this way... Is someone who grew up on Marvel vs Capcom 2 (and was really good at it) going to be very good at Marvel vs Capcom 1? NO, because they are used to all of the extra features... the same goes for HALO 2 plears and HALO 1 players... it is just different. If you can learn the more basic form first, then you wont be dependent on whatever extra features are offered... the same ALSO goes for learning to drive a manual car before automatic.... I'm on a roll |
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| 936. Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2005 11:26 pm Post subject: |
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Also, as for the fighting game reference... I'm not sure about the way you use it... Think about it this way... Is someone who grew up on Marvel vs Capcom 2 (and was really good at it) going to be very good at Marvel vs Capcom 1? NO, because they are used to all of the extra features... the same goes for HALO 2 plears and HALO 1 players... it is just different. If you can learn the more basic form first, then you wont be dependent on whatever extra features are offered... the same ALSO goes for learning to drive a manual car before automatic.... I'm on a roll |
It's true that just because you're good at the newer version of a game, doesn't mean you'll be good at an older version as your reference to Marvel Vs. Capcom implies. But the point is, if you're playing a game that has all these extra features, like speed mods, there's no sense in going backwords just because the original version didn't have them.
If everyone has to do things the way you said, by playing the way the original version meant for it to be, then everyone should start playing games from the 80's. Instead of buying the newest version of Mario for their Gamecube, they should start by hunting down a working Nintendo and playing the original Mario just to get the basics that the "original" Mario game was meant to be.
Why is everyone playing in 3D now, it's not the "standard", games were changed from 2D to 3D only because technology improved. But that's just how it is. Because the technology improved and new games were made in 3D everyone plays them in 3D. It's the new "standard".
Just like DDR and ITG. Earlier versions of DDR didn't have speed mods, but now pretty much every machine that's still out there is a version that has speed mods. They are the new "standard". So the way I see it, if someone just started playing and needs speed mods to be comfortable with reading the arrows then there's nothing wrong with that. You shouldn't say they shouldn't use them just because of the fact that the original DDR didn't have them.
BTW, I started playing with 3rd mix and I've also played every other mix after that, so I know how it is to play without a choice of mods. |
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PedanticOmbudsman
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| 937. Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2005 11:32 pm Post subject: |
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| yarni wrote: | | sorry for the double post |
Well then, learn to use the Edit button. I can manage it; you should be able to also.
But dear lord, that was quite a rant there. You seem to be really upset that your ability to play on 1x isn't considered anything special, and you really seem to be taking it way too personally.
I can't believe that the "speed mods are cheating" thing is still going on in 2005 (well, 2006 also unless you change your mind in 9 days).
Okay, you can play on 1x. Hooray. Nobody's going to give you a medal or start a fan club in your honor because of it. It doesn't mean you're any better at the game, because all you're doing is setting your arrows to scroll at one particular speed whilst others are setting a different speed. There's no "right", "correct", or "normal" scroll speed. You might be better than some people at reading slower speeds, but others are much better than you at reading at faster speeds. You can't really say that one of these abilities is better than the other.
And for the record, C mods don't eliminate tempo changes. They just keep the scroll rate the same; the tempo changes still happen. You still have to adjust your internal metronome to the new tempo, and without even getting a warning via the change in scroll speed. The main benefit of C mods has nothing to do with tempo changes, they're just a convenience to avoid having to calculate the best speed mod for each song.
Now, back on subject. You might say that 1x is the "normal" speed because it's the default, but in ITG2, 1.5x is the default. There's nothing natural or sensible about 1x that makes it more correct than anything else. In fact, I consider 1x to be a very poor way of presenting steps. When so much can happen in between two adjacent beats, there's no reason for adjacent on-beat notes to be physically touching each other with no space between them. You wind up with serious arrow overlap that way, which is ugly and counterintuitive.
So basically, you can play on 1x, which can be a cool trick, but honestly it's not really impressive enough to justify you being an arrogant buttocks about it, and honestly it's just not really all that great. If you were just like, "hey, I can do a cool trick" then you might be taken somewhat seriously and maybe get some good-natured amusement and/or respect for your slow-reading novelty trick. But instead, you declare yourself better than everyone else who doesn't give a damn about learning your little novelty trick, and you beat a horse that's been dead for years.
Seriously, spinning a basketball on your finger is a cool trick but it doesn't make you good at basketball, and if you start telling professional basketball players that you're better than them at basketball because you can spin a ball on your finger longer than they can, they're just going to laugh at you. |
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NSMH
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| 938. Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2005 11:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | and yeah, i do think DDR would be 10x better with NO speed mods and NO freeze arrows... who needs either? |
This made me laugh. Ok, so you don't like speed mods, but freeze arrows as well? Seriously man, freeze arrows add so much to gameplay. There's so much more in the game because of it. You're being completely foolish.
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PedanticOmbudsman
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| 939. Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 12:02 am Post subject: |
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Crazy, isn't it?
Another thing that DDR didn't originally have was 16th and 24th steps -- 1st Mix only had 4ths and 8ths. So I'm sure he considers everything except 4ths and 8ths to be unnatural abominations as well... except that Bag (favorite song of the three remaining "speed mods are CHEATING" guys) depends so much on them. Oh, the irony. |
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