Share your opinion about In The Groove!

[Uiru]

"RedOctane doesn't do software design. They do publishing."

I thought it was a little strange. Too bad they had to meddle with it. Hopefully next time Roxor can find a publisher who isn't a giant pussy.

"Keep up the good work and keep making the last dozen Konami fanboys furious with impotent emo rage."

You're a very silly monkey, and your simple antics bring a smile to my face. Thanks for forwarding that along; now I can focus on the flaws specific to the PS2 version.

"One could easily argue "heh, they really think the shape of an X makes their game different?" just as well as "heh, they really think 3-D arrows and a ton of mods make their game different?" So I find this very interesting."

The shape of the X DOES make the game different. Not enough to avoid a lawsuit, of course, since Konami owns the step grading idea (as well as dancing stages and just about everything else that makes DDR DDR) but you could put a mineless ITG song into any DDR mix (or vice versa) and nobody would notice. The gameplay between DDR/ITG and Pump is hugely different, simply because of the five arrows in a different pattern.

"Don't try to fault Roxor for upping the difficulty."

I'm not faulting Roxor for upping the difficulty. IIDX and Pop'n have charts that would make the majority of ITG players shit themselves. Difficulty isn't a bad thing. DDR does need to start using its Challenge level, I'll agree to that. I am neutral to Pump simply because by agreeing to pay royalties to Konami, they recognize that Konami are the ones who created this game that we play. I'm faulting Roxor for swaggering around like they invented, or even reinvented, dance games, when all they did was put out a shiny new case with elevendyfooters in it. Illegally, I might add.

"ITG merely goes with the trend the players created, allowing them more speed options. If they are indeed creating ITG for the players (which I feel they are), this was the right choice to make."

Indeed. IIDX has started doing this (there's like eight speed mod options where there used to be four in the newest mixes). This may or may not translate over into DDR, because Konami doesn't want to make all of its different music games simply clones of each other, otherwise the list of retard-o-mods from Pop'n would probably conquer the universe (giant arrows wiggling back and forth as they go down at triple whatever speed you already had it on, changing from normal scroll to reverse mid-song? Eep). Nothing bad to say about speed mods, although good ol' x1.5 is good enough for me.

"even tho arcade owns the home, ddr at home is to easy in my book"

An arcade IN THE RIGHT CONDITIONS owns the home, correct. Just tonight I went to our arcade to fail PSMo again, and I find that our dear machine is out of order. Again. Which according to the management, is being shipped out after Christmas anyway. Now, the punchline is, the ITG2 dedcab we have now has something wrong with its coin slot, and it's gonna be given a halfass repair job which will fail in a few weeks, and pretty soon that machine will be crap too. And even when the machines DO run, the arcade staff complains about the noise, so they're turned down... to the point where you can't hear them. Not that this matters much to ITG, since you apparently don't listen to the music anyway, but this really puts a damper on the DDR experience. And I'd be willing to wager that our arcade is not the only one run by morons and whiners. At home, if my pad starts acting up, I can break it open and clean it on the spot. I can play it as loud as I like. And there's never any stupid punks or thieves or skeets or lines or anything to inturrupt me. Plus, soon there's not going to be an arcade alternative anyway.

Spending $60 on one US and one JP import game a year beats out the at least $10 I like to put into a functioning DDR machine every time I go, too.

A final note about arcades; remember that DDR is often credited with keeping the arcade scene alive this long. This 'arcade is great omg' idea is simply another result of Konami's hard work that Roxor simply stole. As DDR 'goes out' and ITG continues to cater to a narrow niche of DDR's former audience, arcades will once again be threatened with dying off entirely.

I also would like to end this post by mentioning that DDR Mario Mix completely sold out across the entire continent. Nintendo doesn't have any more of them left. They won't begin shipping again until 2006. Innovation is not yet dead after all, and this makes me happy.

edit: To add to El Mullet's post, where does the combo start on ITG? I noticed this today and found it interesting.
~Uiru
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[[GA] Gunslinger Jetz]

"Go RoXoR. You didn't kill DDR, Konami did, but you brought it back to life and saved it from oblivion. You saved us all, and gave us hope. Thank you. You kept our community from dying, and you preserved what for many of us is a primary social outlet. You are keeping a noble spirit alive, and you are filling big shoes. You've taken up a heavy burden which had been cruelly abandoned, and you are carrying it well."

Last time I check Konami still makes home versions of DDR so it isn't "dead" as you claim it to be. Have you ever heard of the term Oppurtunist?

Main Entry: op·por·tun·ism
Pronunciation: -'tü-"ni-z&m, -'tyü-
Function: noun
: the art, policy, or practice of taking advantage of opportunities or circumstances often with little regard for principles or consequences
- op·por·tun·ist /-'tü-nist, -'tyü-/ noun or adjective

Boy does that sound familar or what...RoXoR just took advantage of Konami's descision to discontinue Arcade versions of DDR. Oh boy I bet in a stroke of bitter irony that Konami makes another arcade version in the future but it won't work on DDR cabinets anymore because the software isn't compatiable with machines that were converted to ITG. Anyway, Its like "OMG GUYZ CHECK OUT OUR NEW DDR EEERRRR WAIT I MEAN OUR TOTALLY ORIGNAL ITG". RoXoR can't even save themselves from the inevitable so don't say they "saved" the DDR community. If you consider DDR as a primary social outlet then buddy you need to get a f.ucking life.

anywho,

I would have to agree full heartingly with everything Uiru has said so far.

Its truely entertaining seeing all the ITG fanboys get their panties in a bunch when someone beings up very valid points on why ITG and RoXoR sucks.

Keep on truck'n Uiru!
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[Auspher]

[PedanticOmbudsman]

[Uiru]

[Yarni]

[PedanticOmbudsman]

[Yarni]

Hey... PedanticOmbudsman... I don't mean to sound stupid and whiny, but you're really mean. Being perfectly honest, and please don't give some stupid answer like "because I can.": If you are so anti-Konami... Why do you come here? Why are you at DDR (Dance Dance Revolution, not In The Groove) Freak.com? why? what business do you have here? Maybe yes, it is possible that a whole community of people prefer ITG over DDR... but thats one community, and yeah it seems more common, now, but have you been to arcades with more than one DDR mix and an ITG2? Theres more than one DDR machine for a reason. ITG is based off of DDR, anyway. and honestly, come one. maybe DDR has lower graphic quality, but at least Konami put some effort into making them look pretty, rather than RoXoR's boring-buttocks simplicity. I don't hate ITG, I actually play it a lot for some reason, cuz it is like a new DDR Mix, not cuz it's better. I will always love DDR, and it will never lose to ITG. if you seriously dont like DDR, then maybe you should leave this site... its called DDRfreak for a reason.

[triad.spacefight]

DDR has 8 Arcade mixes, not including solo machines, and has been around for 8 years. Each mix has variants of songs that were not repeated on the later mixes.

ITG has been around for less than 2, has a total of 2 mixes, and the sequel mix has all of the songs from the previous version.

Hrm. I wonder why more DDR machines are in arcades than ITG machines.

And it's funny, simplicity is far from what I would call the ITG2 interface. The Cell and Metal arrows are slick as hell. Much better, in my opinion, than the lovely 3 color blend in with half the background solo and vivid on DDR.

But whatever. And the reason he is here? Because he is posting in the ITG part of the forum. What's your excuse? Besides flamebaiting along with Uiru, that is?

The funniest part about all of this? The fact that DDR players that have poured countless amounts of money into DDR machines(Read: Are sick of getting OMES and SDGing 10's, or playing 7-8-9's that have no substance to them after hearing the damn songs for the past 3 years OVER AND OVER), into filling out the Recall sheets(Read: Have invested enough time and money they should own stock in Konami) are the ones playing ITG now. And those people are the ones that Arcade's are going after. They see the people who spend $20-30 a week playing DDR going away from there arcade to go play ITG somewhere else. It's basic supply and demand. It's why you see Initial D machines in the good arcades, and Crusin' World in the movie theaters and Wal-Mart.

ITG is better. Then again, that's my opinion, not the fucking gospel. No one gives a shit about my opinion, your opinion, Cutriss' opinion, hell ROXOR or KONAMI's opinion. If you do, then you are a sad, sad, little person, who needs to go do something other than masterbate to AAA videos and sending out recall challenges involving one foot, a video camera, and a sandwich. If that's what it takes to get a challenge, something is severely wrong.

In the meantime, I'll be playing ITG. If you don't want to play it, good. Less waiting time for me.

OMG ROXOR STOLE KONAMI'S IDEA DIE ROXOR DIE ITG HAY LOOK SHE IS PLAYING FRECKLES WOOT WOOT YAY.

So fucking what? Go shut the hell up, play your didur, and leave the people who enjoy ITG alone.

Wow, i'm getting warning points for this one, maybe I should advertise it in my signature.

LOL SMILEY OH NOES ITG REFERENCE
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[yyr]

[Auspher]

Uhh...lets see now..check out the list of arcades that have ITG vs. Arcades that have DDR...

There's a big difference mainly because of the fact that people just don't care about ITG. It doesn't appeal to people because the songs on it suck. I admit that It has a few good songs(by E-rotic, who has songs on DDR, and missing heart, as said in earlier posts.) The steps on ITG are lame. The only moderately fun steps are on the easier songs. All else has lame 16th note runs and the kind of crap that gets annoying after you've played it a couple times through.

The fact is that people who want to play something that's "harder than DDR" might try out this game, otherwise, it won't gain much of a fanbase like DDR has.

My point: Roxer tried to do a dancing game, couldn't, stole Konami's game, renamed it, and finally made a piece of crap.

...point made.
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[triad.spacefight]

Once again:

DDR: 8 years, 8+3 solo mixes, not to mention DS(Euro) Series.

ITG: <2 years, 2 mixes.

I'll see your point about more Arcades having DDR when you can spell Roxor right.
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[NSMH]

[Auspher]

[Auspher]

Just Curious, Cutriss. What was the point of this thread anyway when there are how many others like it that start this same old debate that get's us all annoyed..?
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[NSMH]

I must add one more thing:

[triad.spacefight]

[Yarni]

[Auspher]

::cough::hmm...so you're a 12 yr. old then?...interesting.

For you to know, as most people do around here, new isn't everything. Sure, it's all shiny and I know your the type to stare at crap like that, but hey, it simply doesn't outshine the glow that is DDR which you're obviously blind to see.

I actually agree with you on one thing and that is that this thread should be closed because all it is, and all it ever will be is a pointless argument between the Real and the Copy.
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