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0. PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 1:11 pm    Post subject: Survival? Reply with quote

Okay, I tried it once... failed first song. I really didn't know what I was doing, and I don't want to blow money on it again until I understand.

So, what the crap? Why does your life go down with time. What gives you more time. How well do you have to do to not fail? Thanks.
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1. PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 1:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Survival mode focuses on your Fantastic-attacking abilities. You have to be very precise to pass a survival course. At the beginning of each song, a fixed amount of time is added to your timer. Fantastics add 0.2 seconds to your timer, and anything lower than an Excellent will remove time (I don't have the numbers off the top of my head).

Some courses are stricter than others based on the amount of time they give you, and how many Excellents or lower you can get and still make it. Two courses commonly cited as being really easy are Slower and Speeder; however, it's usually the case that a player who is good at one of these is terrible at the other one. Go for Slower if your low-speed reading skills are good (Energizer medium x0.5), and go for Speeder if your high-speed reading skills are good (Bloodrush x4, Sweet World x4.5). Cohesion and Robot are also often said to be easy.
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2. PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 1:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Basically, survival is TOO HARD.

I don't mind the penalties for big errors, but I think it should subtract less time for greats and give a little bit of a time for excellents. disgust.gif

Anyway, yeah. You should be able to ** 4s and * 7s before you really start getting into Survival mode. Otherwise, you won't be able to handle anything in Survival.
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3. PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 2:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rancidfish wrote:
Basically, survival is TOO HARD.

I don't mind the penalties for big errors, but I think it should subtract less time for greats and give a little bit of a time for excellents. disgust.gif

Anyway, yeah. You should be able to ** 4s and * 7s before you really start getting into Survival mode. Otherwise, you won't be able to handle anything in Survival.


I can *** 9s and I still only have 3 passed survival courses. I don't play survival often, but seriously getting a miss on Liquid Moon equals death, which isn't too hard to do. Some of the mods are a bit hard to read and non-combos are unforgiving.
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4. PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 4:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've only **'d one 9, and I haven't ***'d anything above a 5 or so, but I've passed more than half the survival courses, as well as one or two on double.

So... reading mods is also important, and a factor I don't often consider. However, no matter how good you are at reading mods and FC'ing stuff, if you can't FA, you will fail. Every great you get is basically missing out on 0.7 seconds (since you lose 0.5 instead of gaining 0.2 like you would for a Fantastic), which you need to survive. There are plenty of times I've failed courses with a full-combo, because I had trouble FA'ing and they didn't give you much time. Decelerated and Perception come to mind.

Bleargh.
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5. PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 5:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Personally, I find Survival to be too easy. The only courses that I find challenging at all are Decelerated and Perception. I'm pretty sure I'll be able to pass Perception next try too. Decelerated is ruthless though. The songs were originally 1 difuculty higher, and I don't think they changed the amount of time you start with to compensate for the lack of steps.
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6. PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 7:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ThemsAllTook wrote:
Survival mode focuses on your Fantastic-attacking abilities. You have to be very precise to pass a survival course. At the beginning of each song, a fixed amount of time is added to your timer. Fantastics add 0.2 seconds to your timer, and anything lower than an Excellent will remove time (I don't have the numbers off the top of my head).

Some courses are stricter than others based on the amount of time they give you, and how many Excellents or lower you can get and still make it. Two courses commonly cited as being really easy are Slower and Speeder; however, it's usually the case that a player who is good at one of these is terrible at the other one. Go for Slower if your low-speed reading skills are good (Energizer medium x0.5), and go for Speeder if your high-speed reading skills are good (Bloodrush x4, Sweet World x4.5). Cohesion and Robot are also often said to be easy.


Excellent does not add or take away time, if I recall correctly. It is +-0.
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7. PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 11:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Malice of BluR wrote:
ThemsAllTook wrote:
Survival mode focuses on your Fantastic-attacking abilities. You have to be very precise to pass a survival course. At the beginning of each song, a fixed amount of time is added to your timer. Fantastics add 0.2 seconds to your timer, and anything lower than an Excellent will remove time (I don't have the numbers off the top of my head).


Excellent does not add or take away time, if I recall correctly. It is +-0.
That's what he said.
Kyrandian wrote:
Personally, I find Survival to be too easy. The only courses that I find challenging at all are Decelerated and Perception. I'm pretty sure I'll be able to pass Perception next try too. Decelerated is ruthless though. The songs were originally 1 difuculty higher, and I don't think they changed the amount of time you start with to compensate for the lack of steps.
I passed Decelerated on my first or second try, it's not that hard, though I do think they didn't really give you enough time. However, Speeder, Blinker and Perception are all much harder.

Anyway... the survival courses are all very easy, but I think it's conceptually too hard. They're just too harsh on greats and excellents, in my opinion. Plus, the way it's laid out is really kind of awkward. It'd be better if it was somehow skewed so you got more time back for fantastics (and excellents, since I think excellents should give you some time as well) in a song with less steps, rather than them just giving you more time at the beginning.
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I think survival was a great idea. It makes 2 foots difficult.
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figgy20000 wrote:
I think survival was a great idea. It makes 2 foots difficult.
1) This isn't DDR anymore. They're not "2 foots", they're 2s.
2) It makes 2s difficult, but 4s-7s really easy. There's something wrong there.
3) It's a great idea. I loved oni mode on DDR, and I love reaching for the stars (heh) in ITG. However, I don't like the way it was implemented.
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10. PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 6:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rancidfish wrote:
3) It's a great idea. I loved oni mode on DDR, and I love reaching for the stars (heh) in ITG. However, I don't like the way it was implemented.


It's certainly implemented a lot better than oni mode.
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11. PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2005 6:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rancidfish wrote:
figgy20000 wrote:
I think survival was a great idea. It makes 2 foots difficult.
1) This isn't DDR anymore. They're not "2 foots", they're 2s.
2) It makes 2s difficult, but 4s-7s really easy. There's something wrong there.
3) It's a great idea. I loved oni mode on DDR, and I love reaching for the stars (heh) in ITG. However, I don't like the way it was implemented.


2: That isn't exactly true, as the higher the foot rating the harder it is to FA, gallops for example. There may be a gallop, but I may get one fantastic/excellent on that set, while just one arrow on that 2 foot I hit fantastic is the same thing. Not to mention with some of the messed up mods I wish it was just 2 foots sometimes, the higher the foot rating the more notes to get fantastics on, but the harder it is to get a fantastic on each note, 100%ing those 2 foots isn't very hard at all, 100%ing those 7 foots with gallops is. Hence liquid moon hard on whatever mod it had frown.gif hate that.

On a side note: I'm always disqualified for ranking when I use my memory card, as it says I have it set to C450 even though the bpm isn't C450 when the survival is going on... anyone else have this problem? I can't play survivals with my USB Memory card without sacrificing my high score on the machine.
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12. PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2005 9:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Survival just stresses me out :/.

I'll try it again though eventually.
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figgy20000 wrote:
On a side note: I'm always disqualified for ranking when I use my memory card, as it says I have it set to C450 even though the bpm isn't C450 when the survival is going on... anyone else have this problem? I can't play survivals with my USB Memory card without sacrificing my high score on the machine.


Don't use C450 then.

Survival courses use whatever your last saved speed mod and noteskin were (even though they all have forced speed mods so whichever one you're using makes no difference).
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figgy20000 wrote:
100%ing those 2 foots isn't very hard at all, 100%ing those 7 foots with gallops is.
1) 100%ing anything is hard. I have a grand total of one 100%, on Hustle Beach easy. I frequently get 10-20 excellents on 2s. (Since 100%ing Hustle Beach, I haven't gotten less than 5 excellents on it.)

Now, let's compare something. Let's say you have a 7, with a run of four gallops. Let's say on every one of those gallops, you get one fantastic and one excellent. That's still +0.8 seconds.

Now, let's look at a two. During those same four beats, a 2 is likely to have... two or three steps? That's +0.4 or +0.6 seconds if you get all fantastics.

It doesn't matter that your FA is worse on harder songs, you still get more steps, and unless you're getting Greats, more steps means more time. It's like the guy said about Decelerated. The course used to have the songs on Medium, then Hard. Now it's Easy, then Medium, making the course much harder. I'd rather be playing Amore hard in a survival course than Bumble Bee and Life of a Butterfly easy.
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EDIT: Accidental double post

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figgy20000 wrote:
Boochypa wrote:
figgy20000 wrote:
On a side note: I'm always disqualified for ranking when I use my memory card, as it says I have it set to C450 even though the bpm isn't C450 when the survival is going on... anyone else have this problem? I can't play survivals with my USB Memory card without sacrificing my high score on the machine.


Don't use C450 then.

Survival courses use whatever your last saved speed mod and noteskin were (even though they all have forced speed mods so whichever one you're using makes no difference).



.... as in, it remembers I use C450 from my previous game, and it disqualifies me from the survival, even though it automatically changes the bpm off c450 for me.


If you can't get less than 10-20 excellents on easy songs which have quite few notes, you must be having extreme troubles on some of the survival, or suck at stuff that isn't streamy E19.gif

Anyways, with the freaky mods I'd rather be playing much easier stuff. For stuff that's just easy anyways, like the first few songs on speeder, I'd rather have more notes so that I could FA it to death. I'm quite certain very very few of us would be able to get past any survival course if something like Euphoria expert was on it though.
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figgy20000 wrote:
If you can't get less than 10-20 excellents on easy songs which have quite few notes, you must be having extreme troubles on some of the survival, or suck at stuff that isn't streamy E19.gif
No, I just don't do much better on simple stuff. If it has 150 steps, I'll probably get 5-20 excellents. If it has 300 steps, I'll probably get 25-40 excellents. Until things start getting pretty tough (8s or so), my fantastic accuracy is pretty consistent... I'm just really mediocre at everything.
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