Is ITG harder than DDR because of endurance only?

RTF · Trick Member Joined: 30 Jun 2005

But endurance doesn't really account for charts like Determinator, Euphoria, Go 60 Go, and many, many doubles Ex songs in ITG2. (but the ITG1 doubles charts are almost universally boring stream...) FECing everything requires more than stamina, but also some great bursts of speed and the ability to understand really crazy rhythms.

Rancidfish · Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 7:08 pm Post subject:

Indeed... there are a lot of 11s and 12s that, by the end of the song, I'm not particularly tired, but that doesn't mean they're easy. In fact, there are a few 12s that I can push myself my hardest at the difficult parts, still fail, and yet not be tired by the end of the song.
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JJasser · Trick Member Joined: 09 Apr 2004 Location: MA

But endurance directly affects how well one can PA too. You may not realize it, hopefully you do, but surely you feel on songs like euphoria you do in fact have to exert more effort to FA the song and do well. Endurance affects even that. I'm a pretty good ITG player and I know that how well I do on a song is usually have much concentration and the amount of endurance I have that that time period.

Rancidfish · Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2005 9:23 am Post subject:

Syncopation · Trick Member Joined: 03 Feb 2003

For Euphoria Expert... if you have the home version of ITG, put it in Practice mode with the assist tick activated, and just sit back and listen to the step pattern.

It's clear to me that they are 3-stroke and 5-stroke single-stroke drum rolls if played on a drum using the hands--and it's something I'll probably not be able to do physically with any degree of accuracy when stepping it with the feet for years--but it at least makes some audible sense to what otherwise is very difficult to read against all the sixteenth notes in the stepchart.

Whether or not translating snare drum patterns to the feet constitutes a fair and realistic challenge is left to the individual player to decide. (I tried sight-reading Euphoria Expert using 2x/Metal/Hallway and ended up with a low 4% before my health bar was out.)

Rancidfish · Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 10:14 am Post subject:

alicks · Trick Member Joined: 19 Apr 2005 Location: Memphis, TN

Unnecessary hellruns. :|
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Rancidfish · Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 3:11 pm Post subject:

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Sniopa · Basic Member Joined: 13 Oct 2005 Location: S. Deerfield MA

I love the speed of itg
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DAF · Trick Member Joined: 20 Feb 2005 Location: In CP

Me too. I just find it weird I can beat several 11's and even a few 12's, but not The Legend oF MAXX. Then again, I haven't played DDR ever since UMCP got the ITG2 Dedicated.
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Laundry · Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2005 4:32 pm Post subject:

0rion · Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 5:40 am Post subject:

So, to summarize...

-The songs are longer (2 minutes on average compared to DDR's 1:30.)
-There are mines
-There are hands
-There are freeze-rolls
-There are (optional) ridiculous modifiers to add
-The timing window is earlier than that in DDR, making the jump difficult for some PA players
-The songs don't follow the relatively simple 1/8th baseline with 1/16th gallop patterns that are standard in DDR
-Songs like Disconnected Mobius and Oasis require much more unusual body positioning to clear the freeze arrows effectively
-There are just plain more steps. With Pandamonium you'll end up stepping an average of just over 7 times per second for 2 minutes.

So, yes, stamina DOES play a big part in the difficulty jump between DDR and ITG; but as you can see, that is FAR from the only factor.
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Rancidfish · Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 2:42 pm Post subject:

DAF · Trick Member Joined: 20 Feb 2005 Location: In CP

Yeah just failed breaking point, on the last song, Hardcore of the North, at the alst possible moment. Stupid decel.
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Thomas Hobbes · Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 3:28 pm Post subject:

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