What "makes" a 10 footer a 10 footer?

~{theDDR_freak}~ · Trick Member Joined: 04 Aug 2004 Location: NJ

isn't a 10 footer a 10 footer when its like wayy too fast to read and have like practically impossable steps?
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agent709 (orange) · Trick Member Joined: 13 Jun 2005

I don't honestly care, because I judge songs on my own by personal strengths and weaknesses.

It's just too fun to argue about, though!

Just because Sakura probably should not be a 10 does not mean that songs some may find harder than Sakura should be a 10 either. So Deep? It was infact originally a 10. Who knows why Konami switched it to a 9 for official releases. It's like a cross between bag and Paranoia Survivor - slower with fast steps. Of course, I am a great x1 reader

but the scrunched-ness makes it hard for those willing to challenge themselves by not using mods.

Cartoon Heroes? Pfft. A lot of people can pass it on many, many more occasions than say, Max 300 or Paranoia Survivor. Once again, just because Sakura =/= 10 does not mean other songs do.
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SakuraFreak · Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 6:31 pm Post subject:

Personally I think only the maxxes and PSM and PSMO deserve to be 10 footers. Bag is pathaticly easy if you speed it up. Sakura, G2, and Outer Limits are all friggin easy.( I have at least an A on all of them) After clearing PS on my third try i concluded it was also too easy for a ten. Correct me if im wrong but this is all the ten footers right????
MAXX 300
MAXX Unlimited
MAXX.(Period)
The Legend of MAXX
Sakura
G2
Bag
Outer Limits
PS
PSM and PSMO
(I think there is something called MAXX 300 SUPER-MAX-ME-MIX on XBOX but im not sure. is this a ten footer??????

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XMaxX · Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 6:41 pm Post subject:

What makes a ten footer a ten footer?

First of, it is because Konami said so.

Details:(Opinion Based)

I'll be using So Deep and Bag as a reference.
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1- A ten footer consists of alot of arrows. Lets take bag for example. Bag has a total of 382 arrows (more than most 9 footers) and has a total of 25 bars (I think). That is alot of arrows for such a slow, compacted song, which makes it a ten.

2- Consistancy of the Arrows: All tens have a constant step pattern, meaning not to many breakes within the song. Yeah, alot of 9's are like this too, but they are nines for their own reasons (So Deep).

3- Speed: This is not necessarily regular BPM, as you might of guessed (Bag), but it is the speed that you are moving at within the song. Bag, for example has 32nd notes and is 65bpm. Do a little math, and a 32nd note is equivalent to 520bpm. So Deep 16th notes are 560bpm, but here is when regular BPM comes in. Bag was created purpously to be hard to read. Konami could of made bag scroll at 130bpm, which sounds more appropriate, but they decided to make it just a little bit more challenging, so they had slowed it down to 65bpm. But with mods, it makes it much easier to read. Other songs like Sakura and Max300 have eigth notes that have you move at about 600bpm, which makes it challenging.

4- Groove Radar: Have you ever noticed that almost, if not, all of the tens either have one or more full radar guages: meaning that it almost reaches the highest point or actually does reach the highest point on the radar. Bag has full Chaos, Sakura has full Stream, etc... Take a look and see for yourself (Yes, So Deep does have full Chaos, but take all of the other details into consideration).

This pretty much wraps up my post. REMEMBER THIS POST IS OPINION BASED PEOPLE.
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Synaesthesia · Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 6:48 pm Post subject:

SakuraFreak · Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 7:03 pm Post subject:

okay i once heard that The Legend of MAXX was the third hardest song in DDR. HUH???????????????? I thought it was the hardest ( besides MAXX.(Period) By the way how fast is MAXX. (period)???

SakuraFreak · Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 7:04 pm Post subject:

okay i once heard that The Legend of MAXX was the third hardest song in DDR. HUH???????????????? I thought it was the hardest ( besides MAXX.(Period) Can someone please make me a list of the hardest songs in DDR???? By the way how fast is MAXX. (period)???

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agent709 (orange) · Trick Member Joined: 13 Jun 2005

Nougatrocity · Trick Member Joined: 12 May 2002 Location: Somerville MA

709, the main point of debate is to IGNORE Konami's designations of difficulty, and argue purely from a point of view of steps and relative difficulty.

If we say Cartoon Heroes is ten feet, it doesn't mean it's the hardest and most difficult song. It means that it belongs to the CLASS of most difficult songs, separated from the 9-footers by a wide enough margin of difficulty.

I think the real question is this:
Is Cartoon Heroes as much harder than other nines as it is easier than tens?
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Synaesthesia · Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2005 7:22 am Post subject:

OK, why is Burning Heat/Captain Jack/bag/a lot of other stuff offsync? Because no one at Konami created a way to properly render a 1/12 note (this is marginally understandable, as 12 is not a power of 2). Hence, stuff full of 1/24 (like BH in my example) is rendered incorrectly. As I recall, the engine quantizes the note to the nearest 1/64. If you play BH on 5x Flat, you can actually *see* that 2 supposedly repeated notes (like UR UR gallops) are NOT spaced evenly with each other.

Regarding Holic, it's been ages since I've played it, but it's timed in 7/8, IIRC. That doesn't make the song offsync, it just makes you count differently (or not, and just play the song).

Poster above me, there's no excuse for some songs to be really early, others really late, and a whole slew in between. You can't say that I don't "get" the song because someone at KOJ flubbed the timing, or made a typo, or something of that sort.
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Snapps50 · Trick Member Joined: 12 Dec 2004

They don't nessessarily rate it by hardness, they rate it for purposes like standing out and making people remember that file.

Do you think people would remember Sakura if it was a regular file? Hell no. Bag? No. But it has the potential to be a 10 because of the whole file overall in appearance and gameplay.

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