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40. PostPosted: Wed Sep 14, 2005 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[RiVAL] Julie Q wrote:

Paranoia Survivor/Max/Oni feels weird to me. I don't know what's up with it. Can't put my finger on it. Maybe it just has a bad chart.


E10.gif It echoes, or something. The Emirzian runs don't help, either. I think GC's non-machine gun parts might be oh-so-slightly timed differently, just so the machine guns are correct. I don't know, I can get an A on it, which is good enough for me.
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41. PostPosted: Wed Sep 14, 2005 5:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A Stupid Barber should have harded and more-to-the-beat steps.
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42. PostPosted: Wed Sep 14, 2005 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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[RiVAL] Julie Q wrote:

Paranoia Survivor/Max/Oni feels weird to me. I don't know what's up with it. Can't put my finger on it. Maybe it just has a bad chart.


E10.gif It echoes, or something. The Emirzian runs don't help, either. I think GC's non-machine gun parts might be oh-so-slightly timed differently, just so the machine guns are correct. I don't know, I can get an A on it, which is good enough for me.


PS seems weird because it has an echoing backbeat. It feels quite late, and I definitely can PA other songs a lot better than that, and it has nothing to do with stamina. PSM is a bit better since the echo is shorter (since the song is faster). Don't quite have the stamina for PSM yet, though.
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43. PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 6:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I always hated paranoia eternal with a burning passion. I have AA'd 10 footers that flash and yet PE is out of my reach to get a high A on, its ridiculous. I dont know if this has to do with the stepchart or the fact that the song itself has no rythem to really step to or maybe it has something to do that I suck at all paranoia's besides the survivor twins.

I found PS/PSM much easier to step to than any other paranoia I have encountered... even with the echo
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44. PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 10:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PE is a pretty tough one because of the beats and the very unique crossovers (people who bar it may have a tough time twisting when barring it)...

I got PE and Max 300 on the same day (yesterday, haha). I had about similar exposure to the two (I really hadn't played either of them much). It took me two tries in a span of a week to AA Max 300, and it took me at least six or seven tries to get PE. That end part with like, no beat, is a pain too, and it's annoying to PA it when the beat just suddenly disappears.
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45. PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 12:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AA Bob wrote:
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no one is saying End of the Century, which is the most obvious to me...

those steps are CRAP!!


i definately agree, but i think the song is crap as well so i don't really care whether it has a bad stepchart or not


You know, Beethoven's Ode to Joy, which End of the Century is a remix of, is thought by many scholars of musical history to be the greatest musical accomplishment in all of human history.


Indeed...and what the artist behind End of the Century has done is taken one of the greatest musical accomplishments in all of human history and turned it into a colossal piece of crap.

For some of the song, they've used the relative minor (submediant) chord under the melody rather than the tonic, probably because it sounded too "happy" the way it's supposed to be. The effect is horrid.


This song is probably one of Naoki's worst songs, and Konami's worst stepcharts.
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46. PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 12:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with ^ and I love the real version of this song. My personal gripe is LOVE THIS FEELIN' Light. The up arrow is whored big time. I have no trouble at all with the steps outside light but light sucks in those sections.
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Is it just me or does any1 else have difficulties with the rhythm in Trip Machine Survivor? The stepchartis a bit odd, but its just hard to hear a definate beat in the song.[/quote]

I don't think you are the only one but The rhythm to Trip Machine Survivor is actually simple. Get a steady count of 1-2-3-4 and you'll be good to go.

Note: The beginning has no rhythm so start your count DIRECTLY on the first note. If you mess up the first note expect to fail.

Lastly the "TRIP" effect exist most clearly on this song [Definition of Trip:(see fall flat on your face for freestyling and messing up)]
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48. PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 1:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

FlostyFlies (IKE) wrote:
Every single stepchart needs to exactly be like Freckles Heavy. Especially Healing Vision Angelic and End of the Century.

LOL. Then we'd have a bunch of ridiculously easy 7-footers with simple rhythms and few crossovers. Lame.

Although I do like Freckles.
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I think they could have done something cooler and more difficult with Dance Dance Revolution. I like the idea of the challenge steps, but the heavy steps could have been harder.


If you play this song a few more times, you'll notice that the challenge steps will test all of your techniques and the ones handed to you by experts. Gallops, triplets, crossovers, hop-steps, spins, doublesteps.......EVERYTHING. That's why this song is a BOSS SONG.
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[RiVAL] Julie Q wrote:
Mikeneko Rock. Should be swung, but it isn't.

Gradiusic Cyber feels weird to me. I don't know what's up with it. Can't put my finger on it. Maybe it just has a bad chart.

The difference in the synching of Burning Heat and Bag is amazing if you actually care about PA, especially for musical people such as myself who have a pretty good notion of what a real triplet rhythm sounds like.


I know exactly how you feel. I could do Bag and why did I never try Burning Heat? The Gradiusic Cyber and Mikenko Rock could have been aimed at Drum Majors in a band or something.
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51. PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 2:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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DJX wrote:
I think they could have done something cooler and more difficult with Dance Dance Revolution. I like the idea of the challenge steps, but the heavy steps could have been harder.


If you play this song a few more times, you'll notice that the challenge steps will test all of your techniques and the ones handed to you by experts. Gallops, triplets, crossovers, hop-steps, spins, doublesteps.......EVERYTHING. That's why this song is a BOSS SONG.
(RED LETTER SONG)


The challenge steps are awful though. You can't just take samples of other songs' stepcharts and put them in a completely different song. I'd rather play a song whose steps aren't horridly consistent, changing to match another song's stepchart every 20 seconds that doesn't even go with the beat, than play a song that "tests your skills" with lots of different kinds of steps.

PS there are no triplets in that chart that I know of.
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52. PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I serioulsy think The Least 100 Secs needs a harder stepfile. Quite possibly a 10 footer stepfile.
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I don't care if they make it harder or easier, but they need it to be better.
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54. PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 10:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For me, it's steps that are attached to really quiet parts of the music. I hate those. Like I know tons of people love Xenon, but I can't stand how the hard parts are on those really-hard-to-hear clicky sounds.

Seems like a lot of sorrow songs do this too. I have trouble with L'amour because I cant hear too well what part of the music the steps go with.
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The challenge steps are awful though. You can't just take samples of other songs' stepcharts and put them in a completely different song. I'd rather play a song whose steps aren't horridly consistent, changing to match another song's stepchart every 20 seconds that doesn't even go with the beat, than play a song that "tests your skills" with lots of different kinds of steps.

PS there are no triplets in that chart that I know of.[/quote]

The programmers can and will RELENTLESSLY do that, but unfortunately you are right about the steps being awful. The madness only serves to make the game live up to its given title DDR EXTREME. By the way, there's only four triplets in the whole contraption. A musical count that goes with the beat goes something like this 1-2-3-4-TRIPLET-5. It does that four times and then goes into something different.
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Aren't a lot of songs on 5th Mix Machines off? Anyways, Only You is too easy. I mean, I am not all that great at DDR, but I can pass Only You.
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order from "needs to a little tweeking" to "wtf mate!?"

1. End of the Century
2. Healing vision Angelic Mix
3. Paranoia Eternal
4. Graduistic Cyber
5. The Legend of Max (heavy)

LOM being the most severe because ITS A 10 FOOTER! 10 footers are rare in DDR, and when one has off-beat notes, its disappointing E2.gif the only parts that go with the beat is the first few jumps, the huge stream, and the last jumps
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1. Butterfly - OMGZ! IT SHOULD HAVE AT LEAST 400 STEPS!
2. bag - Too much chaos!!!!!
3. Cowgirl - GALLOPS???!!
4. Max 300 - SOOOOOO FAST!
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59. PostPosted: Sun Sep 18, 2005 8:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[RiVAL] Julie Q wrote:
Mikeneko Rock. Should be swung, but it isn't.

Gradiusic Cyber feels weird to me. I don't know what's up with it. Can't put my finger on it. Maybe it just has a bad chart.

The difference in the synching of Burning Heat and Bag is amazing if you actually care about PA, especially for musical people such as myself who have a pretty good notion of what a real triplet rhythm sounds like.


Very, very true. Burning heat just pisses me off. I also don't like xenon's chart for reasons unknown.... amazing song though!
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