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slvrshdw
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4820.  Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2005 12:59 pm Post subject: |
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about the ps2 controller...
do NOT get a controller if possible...get a softpad mat
i know many people agree that it may cost a lil more, but its worth it in the long run 
and whoever that "novice" was...
go ahead and try it, and AIM me (im like *always* on, leave me a message if im away) and i can help u out. 
im pretty sure i have the "real" DDR style arrow graphics too
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Shadow_Dragonz
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| 4821. Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2005 1:30 pm Post subject: |
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| slvrshdw wrote: | about the ps2 controller...
do NOT get a controller if possible...get a softpad mat
i know many people agree that it may cost a lil more, but its worth it in the long run
and whoever that "novice" was...
go ahead and try it, and AIM me (im like *always* on, leave me a message if im away) and i can help u out.
im pretty sure i have the "real" DDR style arrow graphics too |
hi,
why is it that you SHOULD get a soft pad mat instead of a controller? What's the reason behind it? How it is better? is it by your experiece or by others too? How long has this been tested? what brand?
If this is for making your own dance pad (metal or not) I wouldn't agree with that. I'd say it could go either way, and also it depends on your budget. Some people would prefer to use a controller while others would prefer the soft pad mat. It's by preference and I don't think it should be said to go either way.
As for myself, I used a controller and have had no problems. Sure the contacts are a little difficult to solder to, but if you have some experience in soldering and/or practice before hand it really isn't a problem. Also sony brand is probably the best you can get, as they don't make soft pad mats  . Just throwing that out there.
They probably both work just about the same, and as well either way. I'm sure though probably with testing and more there could be some timing difference with the 2, but that may be so fractional that it'd make no difference what so ever.
Oh yeah, also if you went ddrhomepad's way (if it hasn't changed) then you may keep the controller. It'd be a little difficutl to hold up or lay out the soft pad mat and use the controller buttons for selection .
Anyway, I'm not trying to flame or anything. I'm just asking these questions because there's really nothing there to back it up, and I'm sure no one has really had enough time to test out both of them long enough to say it leans one way or another. If you've been testing both for over a year, then I'd probably retract what I'm saying...but then agian everyone has different preferences, choices, financial issues, and more. There's a lot to concider
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mikieson
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| 4822. Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2005 2:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Well from my experience. Softpad circuit boards are way better. You take them out and drill holes for the wires to wrap around. Much better and easier than soldering anyday. JMHO....Also...You can trace all the wires to see where they go to on the board before you rip it all the way out. Easy! |
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Heffenfeffer
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| 4823. Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2005 2:04 pm Post subject: What do you expect for $5? Yes, a lunch special. |
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| Shadow_Dragonz wrote: | why is it that you SHOULD get a soft pad mat instead of a controller? What's the reason behind it? How it is better? is it by your experiece or by others too? How long has this been tested? what brand?
If this is for making your own dance pad (metal or not) I wouldn't agree with that. I'd say it could go either way, and also it depends on your budget. Some people would prefer to use a controller while others would prefer the soft pad mat. It's by preference and I don't think it should be said to go either way.
As for myself, I used a controller and have had no problems. Sure the contacts are a little difficult to solder to, but if you have some experience in soldering and/or practice before hand it really isn't a problem. Also sony brand is probably the best you can get, as they don't make soft pad mats . Just throwing that out there.
They probably both work just about the same, and as well either way. I'm sure though probably with testing and more there could be some timing difference with the 2, but that may be so fractional that it'd make no difference what so ever.
Oh yeah, also if you went ddrhomepad's way (if it hasn't changed) then you may keep the controller. It'd be a little difficutl to hold up or lay out the soft pad mat and use the controller buttons for selection .
Anyway, I'm not trying to flame or anything. I'm just asking these questions because there's really nothing there to back it up, and I'm sure no one has really had enough time to test out both of them long enough to say it leans one way or another. If you've been testing both for over a year, then I'd probably retract what I'm saying...but then agian everyone has different preferences, choices, financial issues, and more. There's a lot to concider
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Well, I did try going with controllers, and while I was testing the pad, no less than *five* controllers died on me - two Madcatz PS1 controllers, Two Sony PS1 controllers (the old ones without analog) and a Dual Shock. I went with a softpad board because it was the first controller board that lasted more than ten minutes while testing my pad. Ironically, I went with controllers to save money, but the $30 I spent on killed controllers finally edged out the $20 I later spent on a Gamestop special softpad.
Certainly yes, if a regular controller would've worked with my pad, I would've stuck with one (as they're a lot cheaper.) However, they didn't work for me. The consensus seems to be that if one regular controller doesn't work, then no regular controller will work. Looking at a softpad board, it seems that its extra diodes do a good job of keeping it from dying horribly.
My rule of thumb now it to try one controller (and be sure to test it before soldering with a PSX game if you get it used) to see if it can withstand the pad. If it lasts for more than a half-hour or so, great - use the controller. If it starts ghosting or not responding - buy/beg/borrow a softpad.
I can understand how certain designs require a controller, but I worked around that by installing pushbuttons on the pad itself. I rather like it, because it doesn't require me to bend over after every song (and I won't be tempted to drop the controller on my tile floor after selecting a song, either.)
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Shadow_Dragonz
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| 4824. Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2005 3:44 pm Post subject: |
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Oh, okay  . Yeah, again the controller I used seemed perfectly fine and hasn't failed yet. though I went through the trouble of being sure I was grounded and did not touch the controller.
Sorry to hear that you had to go through so many controller...that really bites 
Oh, thanks for not taking that as a flame or anything. I think some people would've
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slvrshdw
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| 4825. Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2005 4:09 pm Post subject: |
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hey shadow_dragonz....
heh, u got owned   (and btw, i understand what u meant about the flaming and backing it up)
ya, i forgot to mention that i, myself, went thru 2 madkatz xbox controllers before i shelled out the 20 for the gamestop softpad...
and i wasnt able to use the first controller at ALL, but the second controller got thru about a day of just testing out everything, then it died on me 
i get what u mean about not backing it up..
but a couple of people did that for me 
ya, i wouldve just used a controller instead, but if u have *no* experience soldering, i wouldnt even bother, and if u can afford the ~$15 more, u might as well, as it seems to work better in 3 opinions so far.. 
but, if u have an extra controller anyway, why not try it...u might get a one like dragon here
anyway, i just got done adjusting my bros pad...it seems nice, but no graphics yet
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neothe0ne
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| 4826. Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2005 6:44 pm Post subject: |
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| If you were to build a metal pad for the Xbox, is there anything significantly different you should do compared to building a pad for the PS2? How exactly do you get to the circuit boards of Naki soft pads? And what is "the best" button/trigger for the arrows? |
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Shadow_Dragonz
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| 4827. Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 6:58 am Post subject: |
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I got owned? How so  . Heffenfeffer stated that he burned through a lot of controllers and basically threw away money, then tried the soft pad mat and it worked for him. As for myself I used one controller and didn't have any issues and I'm happy with that. I don't quite see that as being owned...but
Actually I never had an extra controller. I went out and bought a used one from Game Stop, but it was the regular sony controller (no analog). Anyway, every have different experiences, which it doesn't seem you have taken into full concideration. Just because you too haven't had a great experiece with controllers doesn't mean it won't work for other people, but maybe that's why the comment from "...[You] might get one like dragon here...". I think Riptide and ddrhomepad both used controllers and haven't had any issues.
If using a controller, people just have to remember to ground themselves and try NOT to touch the circuit board. By doing that you could just fry the whole controller. Also when soldering to it, if you hold the soldering iron too long to the circuit board again you could fry the board by applying too much heat to it.
Oh, the 3 opinions. Well I've been well over a year on this board on the metal dance pad portion. I don't want to be rude but the 3 opinions in the weeks here don't really add up to the opinions, views, and other such information recieved/given in the past year. I can't' say that I've read the last 100 forum pages though :/, but I try to keep up.
Anyway, again my opinion is go with what works best for YOU, and works with your budget. I do not advocate one or the other; as the only thing that I can say is that the controller has worked for me. Maybe my view has changed in the year here, but everyone has their own vision when they create a metal dance pad, and so I try to be open minded about that.
I'll try to be back and help out as time allows
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pang
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| 4828. Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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There was a request for this on the last page:
Hope that helps.
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Lucho
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| 4829. Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 10:56 pm Post subject: |
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thx pang! 
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Kaioh
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| 4830. Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 11:20 am Post subject: |
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I know this is for DDR pads, but does anyone know where I can get the arrow graphics for Pump It Up? I did a search on DDRFreak, but came up with nothing.
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phoenix9
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| 4831. Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 11:59 am Post subject: |
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K Random Questions/Comments:
#1: Does any mirror of paster's instructions still exist?
#2: Riptide's vids are seedless . Anybody wanna help me there?
#3: Whatever happened to riptide posting his lights mod?
and sorta offtopic:
#4: Does anybody have a copy of the X-B-R project cabinet plans? |
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Enterprize
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| 4832. Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 2:54 pm Post subject: |
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http://gallery.greatestjournal.com/thumbnails.php?album=332085
That's our pad as of a week and a half ago, its really, really nice looking.
Changes since then include lexan, decals, corner brackets, 3rd tier frame, and soldered control box. We're going to add a bar and plastic for the top after its tested and such. I'll get some pictures next time I'm over there >_> |
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MinN_Limited
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| 4833. Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 3:34 pm Post subject: |
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Hey, is there any way to cut the lucite other than using a jigsaw or rotary tool? because I dont have either of those and it's a lot of money to spend for something I'll only use once
thx |
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deM'
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| 4834. Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 4:32 pm Post subject: |
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| You can buy a decent jigsaw for 35 bucks at home depot, compared to the cost for the pad itself, that's not that much. |
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pang
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| 4835. Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 7:08 pm Post subject: |
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| OmegaXander wrote: | Hey, is there any way to cut the lucite other than using a jigsaw or rotary tool? because I dont have either of those and it's a lot of money to spend for something I'll only use once
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I did manage to cut a corner or two off the plastic I used with a hacksaw, but it took a while; the shop I bought it from cut it into arrow sized squares for me already.
Your best bet though, would be to buy a cheap jigsaw and use that. It'll save you heaps of time, and you can use it to cut the wooden parts of your pad as well.
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Aflac
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| 4836. Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 3:12 am Post subject: |
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| Home Depot lets you buy and return things. So if you're really in a tight spot, buy a saw, take good care of it, and then return it. It's what I did for my two $25 bar clamps that I would probably never use again in my life. |
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tolookah
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| 4838. Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 3:48 pm Post subject: |
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I actually am seeding them, the problem is i get a connection error with the torrent server. my desktop is set to seed when there are no seeders available, and the client has been up for a week or two now.
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Ulala321
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| 4839. Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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HELP!
Okay, so I've completed my pad using Stoli's design, however I seem to have some sort of short in my controller. I've opened it up, checked everything, electrical taped it all, but the "start" and "select" buttons are still randomly firing even when nothing is being pressed on the controller or the pad. Does anyone know of a way to disable these buttons in the controller or have any other suggestions? Everything else works perfectly save for this minor problem.. during songs the pad works great, choosing songs however is a little more frustrating.
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