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0. PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 12:36 pm    Post subject: ITG makes you better at DDR? Reply with quote

I played DDR for about 1 1/2 years until an arcade that is closer to me got two ITG2 dedicated cabinets. I've been playing ITG for the past 2 months, at least every other day. Recently, my friend and I who have been playing ITG for the past couple months decided to go to the local DDR machine, and play DDR to see if ITG made us better. To our suprise, we had gotten much worse at DDR. For example, I couldn't even do the turns in Afronova, songs that i normally could AA were low As, and I couldn't even pass Max 300. My question is, has this happened to anyone else? From what I've heard, ITG makes you better at DDR, but it just seemed to make me worse.
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1. PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 12:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thats the first ive ever heard of it, maybe for you like my friend, he is used to the ITG noteskins, the lengths, and the songs, maybe if you play two more rounds, you will get right back into the swing of things at DDR, although that is still very unusual
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2. PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 1:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It makes me better at DDR by LEAPS and BOUNDS.

The song length of ITG provides excellent stamina, as well as the more complicated stepcharts makes things so much easier.
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3. PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 2:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

itg has easier timing windows so likely your pa has slipped but that doesnt explain it all
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4. PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 2:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

HyDrA wrote:
itg has easier timing windows so likely your pa has slipped but that doesnt explain it all


Maybe if you aren't FAing. Don't compare the excellent window to the perfect window, since that isn't the highest judgement in regular play on ITG. Sure Marvelouses are harder to get than Fantastics (partly because the marv. window is so early), but no one MAs outside of oni and nonstop mode. If you learn how to FA on ITG, PA on DDR becomes extremely easy.

ITG Fantastic Window: about 20ms
DDR Perfect Window: about 30ms
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5. PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 5:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stamina-wise, ITG is better than taking Steroids

Before:

- I could pass every song on DDR.
- LoM and PSMO were "iffy" to pass (usually a B or fail)
- AA on most of the 9's including Cartoon Heroes

I played both DDR and ITG for three months this summer.

After:

- LoM and PSMO are ALWAYS a pass.
- Scores for ALL 10's are an 'A' every time

Score-wise, I can't really say. Walking off an ITG machine and onto a DDR machine will make you greats swell like a cancerous growth.

However, it doesn't kill your ability to PA. In general, the better you get at FA, the better you will be at PA, but you need time to adjust.
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6. PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 7:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

that could be the case, because the last time that i played DDR before that was about 2-3 months ago.
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7. PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been playing ITG for the past couple of weeks, and today I decided to play DDR. And I got a hell of alot better. Before ITG, I would usually get a B on MAX 300, or maybe an A if I was lucky. Then after I played ITG, I consistently got an A, I even almost AA'd it. So getting worse at DDR after playing ITG is very unusual.
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8. PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 7:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's good for Stamina and tens, but not PA, immediately anyway.
Example: Played Da Roots Expert-Got 98.98. Fairly good FA, right?
Played Mahou No Tobira, normally 2-5 greats, got 22. Played PSMO, got an A 88 greats, previously being a B with 130+
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9. PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 8:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The other point no one has mentioned, is that ITG is generally synced later than ddr. So unless you jump back and forth between the two games regularly, you're going to take a performance hit when you go from one to the other. It takes a few games, and not as much on ITG2, but you can re-adjust to either game.
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10. PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 1:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ITG made me a whole lot better on DDR I'm killing on 8/9 footers that I used to get Ds on I now get Bs or As I still can't master Max unlimited on light I got a C E2.gif
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11. PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 2:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, ITG helped me a lot with the stamina. My FA on ITG was really good and since fantastics are a harder window than perfects on DDR, I think that helped my PA get better quite some much.
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12. PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 5:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

well after passing pandemonium hard...it was a certified a pass on most of the 10s in DDR(to me at least)
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13. PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 6:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I owe passing LOM on DDR to Zodiac, kagami, and Charlene on expert. the ITG expert steps are actually a cake walk compared to the heavy 10 footers like MAX 300, paranoia Survivor, LOM, Max X. however i think the mines also helped with my ddr skills as they would force me to move a certain way on the pad. So ITG make a drr playter better IMO.
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14. PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi, guys! Honestly, if I am better at DDR after playing ITG depends on the songs. Since most ITG stepcharts on Hard don't use crossovers, I haven't had much practice on them, so I would have a hard time with crossovers in DDR songs. Also, the lack of some modifiers would cause problems with steps that contain lots of sixteenths. But on the other hand, playing hard songs in ITG would probably make me better at the MAX songs in DDR. So for me, it really depends on the songs picked.
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15. PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 5:45 am    Post subject: Re: ITG makes you better at DDR? Reply with quote

RadMooseKiller wrote:
I played DDR for about 1 1/2 years until an arcade that is closer to me got two ITG2 dedicated cabinets.


TWO ITG2 cabinets?! In one arcade? Please tell me where this is so I can move there! How are property values in the area lately? Much traffic? How's the weather?

As others have mentioned, you probably haven't really gotten worse at DDR, you just need time to re-acclimate. Are you using the same speed mods as the last time you tried DDR? Maybe your preferred speed has gone up. Are you using the same speed mods as if it were ITG? That might mess you up, because speed looks somewhat different between DDR & ITG even at the same BPM & speed mod, because of different arrow size & spacing. Maybe you've come to rely on the helpful noteskin colorations, in which case Solo might help.

The syncing should be an important factor also. After just a little while you'll "re-sync" to DDR. The more often you switch between differently-synced games (and even differently-synced songs in one game), the more rapidly you'll be able to re-sync.

And on the matter of timing windows:

ITG - Fantastic, 22ms, Excellent, 43ms
DDR - Marvelous, 17ms, Perfect, 33ms

You can't really say universally that one has tighter timing than the other -- DDR's highest judgement, used only in courses, has a smaller window than ITG's highest judgement, but as far as scoring & grading & everything are concerned, Perfect and Marvelous on DDR are basically the same thing, and Marvelous usually doesn't even exist. So you could also say that ITG's highest real judgement has a smaller timing window than DDR's highest real judgement (22ms vs 33ms).
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16. PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Though I could get AA's on most of the 9's, I was never a really great DDR player. After playing ITG for about 6 months, I was "forced" to play on a DDR machine while I was down in South Carolina.

It took me a few rounds to get back into the timing of DDR, but for the most part, I was quite surprised that my PA improved greatly. At the same time, I was bearly breaking a sweat (hence, improved stamina).

One thing to note though... ITG has turned me into a Speed MOD freak. Where's my 4x? laugh.gif
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17. PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 6:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm... Iam not sure... I do better on ITG then I do DDR... so I dunno... o.o;
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18. PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You know, this happened at my arcade also. Everyone that could AA every song has really dropped down, but can 99 all songs on ITG. I really just think it's the frame rate and what not. DDR flows a little better than ITG, and I think that's the problem. IDK, I've only gotten a little worse (going from SDG to about 12-15).
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19. PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 8:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

itg has made me do quite better at ddr repeating what the other guy said about his max300 score i used to get b's rare a now i am so close to an AA i can taste it
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