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lolinternet
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40.  Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 3:03 pm Post subject: Re: ytuzztu |
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| pwnedyou wrote: | | xoxoRenegadexoxo wrote: | | Hey Grimm-Dog. I never did a single Beginner song, i started on Light for like two days and then i was on Standard. In my opinion, beginner mode is a waste of time.t |
It only took you 2 days to get to standard?!  How many hours a day did you play? I've been doing it for 6 days and still can't get to standard and it is so frustrating. |
It's okay, he's lying, as are a whole lot of other people in this thread.
Standard in 3 days? Heavy in a month? Sure buddy! |
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Liquid Zero
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| 41. Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 4:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Kpuccino wrote: | | Liquid Zero wrote: |
Actually going back to the middle IS the right thing to do at that level of gameplay. It's NOT misleading, it's called a learning strategy (like psisar said). If you don't return to the middle, the player will be confused as hell because he/she will always be out of balance to strike the next arrow. Remember, these players have NO prior experience.
DDR isn't gonna immediately teach you not to go back to the middle if you don't even have enough foot-eye coordination to hold your own balance when striking arrows. Common sense, people. That's why there are learning strategies. |
if you start playing like that ( going back to the center of the pad) it will be more difficult to pass to other level...instead of doing that you start playing in light and you can start practicing other kind of "strategy" a better strategy to play...and also you can get that balance that you need...because (rectifying) if you play in beginnner, you go to the center , your subconscience learns to do that...when you go to the next level..you have to learn other kind of balance..and your subconsciece will not let you do it after a great time...and losing time is for lazy people |
...what? You're talking the same thing Setekhx said.
A learning strategy isn't meant to be used throughout a game. It's meant to learn the basics; that's it. Once you get to a higher level there will obviously be a change of strategy needed.
The idea of advancing levels in any game is to make it harder for the player, so it will be more difficult anyway. Changing your strategy is just part of the challenge. |
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Blink_04
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| 42. Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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| yes, i didn't even start on begginer i started on light mode and permanetley moved in standard at about 2 months...i got permanetly into heavy at about 4 or 4 and a half months....beat my first 10 at 5 and a half monts(max 300)...i've been playing for a total of 7 and a half to 8 months now.....i can pass all 9's and about 4 10 footers.....all i need to pass now is maxX unlimited, LOM, and PSMO..........don't bother starting on begginer it is a waste of time in my opinion. |
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FHOD DJ X!!
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| 43. Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 6:33 am Post subject: |
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YES! beginner is a total waste of time. I started on light and i never had seen the game. I also skipped standard. you should always challenge yourself. I went from maxx unlimited to keep on liftin heavy. dont do beginner. it wont help any!
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antimony
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| 44. Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 8:08 am Post subject: |
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I think there's two different things being talked about at once:
1. Beginner mode showing the little picture of a person.
2. Beginner mode having a lot of 1 foot songs.
I started DDR with MAX1USA for PS2. I cringe every time I hear Remember You, BBGMYL, or Peace Out, because that was all I could pass for a long enough period that I got really, really tired of them. I would have loved some more easy songs to learn on. I did improve, it just took me longer, and I was frustrated by the lack of variety.
I do think the little person going back to the center is probably unnecessary. Maybe Beginner Mode should, instead, have the background & dancers off, to avoid distractions. |
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Synpax
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| 45. Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 10:05 am Post subject: |
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| Bigboy23456 wrote: | | Beginner mode is misleading. It shows the person returning to the center after she hits a note. |
In that way, Beginner is very counter productive. I got my roomate to come to my room and play on my pad and he started immitating the woman who kept returning her feet to the center. Bad idea because he does it. You cannot get beyond Beginner playing like that for sure.
There is really no reason for beginner - just start off with a 2 footer. |
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nport
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| 46. Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 9:27 am Post subject: |
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beginner mode is good for the person who plays once in a while like monthly, but other than that the lesson mode gives you everything you need. i started on light without the lesson and in a few months i was on standard. also some people do not have the rhythm to go right into light mode. i think haveing the beginner mode is a waste but it sure helps sell the game to people that need to start there.
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Larena
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| 47. Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 3:05 pm Post subject: |
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I think beginner mode is good for the firts time someone plays. It helps them understand the game but after a few tries i think that people should go on light mode or else they will get used to beginner and the transition to light will be harder.
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| 48. Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 1:38 pm Post subject: |
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| the absolute worst thing about beginner mode is how it displays the characters on-screen. do you know what i'm talking about? it shows the players standing in the center and stomping with one foot at a time. honestly the best way to start out is standing on the arrows. so basically, lots of ppl probably have a hard time starting out because the character display gives them the wrong message. i'm not saying they can't look at better players and see what they do, but for some reason they think they're "supposed" to stand on the center to start out because that's what the game is showing them. then when they have to graduate to standing on the arrows, it's harder because that's a completely different method of play. |
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Setekhx
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| 49. Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 2:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Liquid Zero wrote: | | Kpuccino wrote: | | Liquid Zero wrote: |
Actually going back to the middle IS the right thing to do at that level of gameplay. It's NOT misleading, it's called a learning strategy (like psisar said). If you don't return to the middle, the player will be confused as hell because he/she will always be out of balance to strike the next arrow. Remember, these players have NO prior experience.
DDR isn't gonna immediately teach you not to go back to the middle if you don't even have enough foot-eye coordination to hold your own balance when striking arrows. Common sense, people. That's why there are learning strategies. |
if you start playing like that ( going back to the center of the pad) it will be more difficult to pass to other level...instead of doing that you start playing in light and you can start practicing other kind of "strategy" a better strategy to play...and also you can get that balance that you need...because (rectifying) if you play in beginnner, you go to the center , your subconscience learns to do that...when you go to the next level..you have to learn other kind of balance..and your subconsciece will not let you do it after a great time...and losing time is for lazy people |
...what? You're talking the same thing Setekhx said.
A learning strategy isn't meant to be used throughout a game. It's meant to learn the basics; that's it. Once you get to a higher level there will obviously be a change of strategy needed.
The idea of advancing levels in any game is to make it harder for the player, so it will be more difficult anyway. Changing your strategy is just part of the challenge. |
Problem is, its not as much a learning strategy as its Konami being lazy and wanting to save space with character movements on the screen. Lesson mode doesnt make you go back to the middle, so why should beginner? Your logic is flawd, going back to the middle and staying away from it do infact require seperate types of balance. If you start going back to the middle all the time, you have to learn a different type of balance anyway, in the end you dont gain anything in return by starting with your supposed learning strategy.
Most people that have no prior experience lose as much balance when they step on the arrow when they go back to the middle or not. Why not just kick a bad habit away instead of letting it step in and being harder to forget or replace later on? I know I started using the middle for the first time, then I watched the next person go, and he never returned to the middle so I did the same. I turned out playing alot better because you infact dont have to move as much (and it saves stamina, which at that level you will NOT have alot of.)
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Darkicarus
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| 50. Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2005 12:38 am Post subject: |
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well i can speek from experience, alot of ppl just learned from the light mode but not me i bought the home version of max 2(i know thats a little late to start playing ddr at the release of max 2 but i had played before every now and then at the arcade and i decided to actually make ddr a hobby) and finished lesson mode from that i took what i learned and went into actually playing begginer mode helps re-enforce what you learned in lesson mode... so there is actually a point to it, dispite the fact that you cant fail who cares i mean its just a light mode version of the song except stripped down to the simple rifts per say
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| 51. Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2005 9:49 pm Post subject: |
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| well my point of view is that for some people beginner is worthless and they move right on the light and for outhers beginner is where they start, i think this is beacause every one is differnt and people will start some where and move up at their own speed. |
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| 52. Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2005 11:38 am Post subject: |
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| beginner mose is crap. and lesson mode. they both didn't help. i just went to light and now i'm on standard. |
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| 53. Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2005 5:28 pm Post subject: |
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| I think Beginner mode is necessary... I think a lot of people are saying it isn't to sound cool and make themselves look good. Personally I don't care if I look cool or not and I'm not going to go into the whole bragging about how long it took me to do certain modes... I think that people need Beginner mode to understand how to play. I'm not sure how many of you have tried to explain how to play to someone but it's actually pretty hard. Lots of times they look at you like you're stupid and ask more questions. As for the person that shows you where to step, I think that's necessary too... if you don't understand what to do you have someone in front of you showing you. Plus, I think a lot of people would be discouraged from playing if there wasn't a beginner mode to show you what to do. |
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Darkicarus
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| 54. Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 1:46 am Post subject: |
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| Dance_More wrote: | | I think Beginner mode is necessary... I think a lot of people are saying it isn't to sound cool and make themselves look good. Personally I don't care if I look cool or not and I'm not going to go into the whole bragging about how long it took me to do certain modes... I think that people need Beginner mode to understand how to play. I'm not sure how many of you have tried to explain how to play to someone but it's actually pretty hard. Lots of times they look at you like you're stupid and ask more questions. As for the person that shows you where to step, I think that's necessary too... if you don't understand what to do you have someone in front of you showing you. Plus, I think a lot of people would be discouraged from playing if there wasn't a beginner mode to show you what to do. |
yes very well said if you've seen ppl play at beginner mode they still dont know when to step and they follow the player on screen instead beginner mode is necessary to understand how to play the game
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| 55. Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 8:48 am Post subject: |
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A new DDR player should try an easy song on light, and they can't pass it or if it is too hard for them, they move down to beginner, but then they would get so used to seeing the character and having their feet in the square that it'll take them forever to get into regular light and standard songs.  |
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Darkicarus
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| 56. Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 6:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Setekhx wrote: | | Liquid Zero wrote: | | Kpuccino wrote: | | Liquid Zero wrote: |
Actually going back to the middle IS the right thing to do at that level of gameplay. It's NOT misleading, it's called a learning strategy (like psisar said). If you don't return to the middle, the player will be confused as hell because he/she will always be out of balance to strike the next arrow. Remember, these players have NO prior experience.
DDR isn't gonna immediately teach you not to go back to the middle if you don't even have enough foot-eye coordination to hold your own balance when striking arrows. Common sense, people. That's why there are learning strategies. |
if you start playing like that ( going back to the center of the pad) it will be more difficult to pass to other level...instead of doing that you start playing in light and you can start practicing other kind of "strategy" a better strategy to play...and also you can get that balance that you need...because (rectifying) if you play in beginnner, you go to the center , your subconscience learns to do that...when you go to the next level..you have to learn other kind of balance..and your subconsciece will not let you do it after a great time...and losing time is for lazy people |
...what? You're talking the same thing Setekhx said.
A learning strategy isn't meant to be used throughout a game. It's meant to learn the basics; that's it. Once you get to a higher level there will obviously be a change of strategy needed.
The idea of advancing levels in any game is to make it harder for the player, so it will be more difficult anyway. Changing your strategy is just part of the challenge. |
Problem is, its not as much a learning strategy as its Konami being lazy and wanting to save space with character movements on the screen. Lesson mode doesnt make you go back to the middle, so why should beginner? Your logic is flawd, going back to the middle and staying away from it do infact require seperate types of balance. If you start going back to the middle all the time, you have to learn a different type of balance anyway, in the end you dont gain anything in return by starting with your supposed learning strategy.
Most people that have no prior experience lose as much balance when they step on the arrow when they go back to the middle or not. Why not just kick a bad habit away instead of letting it step in and being harder to forget or replace later on? I know I started using the middle for the first time, then I watched the next person go, and he never returned to the middle so I did the same. I turned out playing alot better because you infact dont have to move as much (and it saves stamina, which at that level you will NOT have alot of.) |
i can argue for both sides
yes going back to the middle requires alot more stamina because of more movement, because when you think of it you step on the arrow(s) then you step back to the center as fast as you can... this requires actually alot of balance if you've seen the on-screen characters they have to step out further then normal and you also see one of there hands go up each time they step now this causes the loss of balance, i myself when i played begginer mode i never followed the on screen character because simply it was just easier not to...
now the other side
a good ddr player must know where there feet are at all times this method of going back to the center is a way of getting a feel of the pad. If you know anything about piano middle c is used to teach where your fingers are this is like the center of the pad ( i know im comparing piano to ddr... wtf?) but when your reading music and transfering it through piano its alot easier when you know where your fingers are so that you dont have to constantly look down. In ddr its the same so you can step on the arrow without looking down to see where your feet are, because constantly looking down can get really confusing...
yeah im know im an A$$ for butting in sorry for that but both points of going back to the middle and not going back to the middle have very strong points
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| 57. Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 5:56 am Post subject: waste of time |
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| theres no point to do beginer mode cuz then when u start u usually just put your foot in the center of the pad after each arrow. If you keep on doing that thenyour feet wont get used to the pad and it will be alot harder to reach heavy mode. You should always start on light mode if you fail dont worry you will get better. |
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| 58. Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 1:37 pm Post subject: |
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I never had beginner mode when I started. I was back in the konamix days. I thought it was stupid to have beginner mode at first, because it relaly doesnt teach the player anything that they cant learn from beginner mode, but when my ex boyfriend wouldn't play light, and he played beginner it made me re think things. He looked so ridiculous....it was worht having beginner mode there just to see him play.
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Wermo
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| 59. Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 6:35 am Post subject: |
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Beginner mode was a necessity for me but not really for my wife. She tired of it in a week or so, because she has rhythm and could hear the beat.
May I say something a little obvious? Both the manuals and the Lesson mode say very clearly that it is easier not to return your feet to the center of the pad, regardless of difficulty.
I'm pretty anal  at reading every page in game manuals and we followed those tips.
For people who have no rhythm, beginner mode is necessary. It's a great way to learn the basics in game as long as you know not to copy the on screen characters.
Everyone in this thread can read; assuming you have a console version of DDR, and some of you probably know someone with one if you don't personally, you can also read the tips section at the end of any of the manuals. Even Disney Mix says it! |
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