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20. PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 1:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think its a waste of time too I learn perfectly fine on DDR:Max on the PS2 and well took me about 4 or 5 mounths or a year I dont remember to get to standard but I was doing the whole if I beat every song with an a its time to go up a difficulty well I stopped that when I found it almost impossible to beat Max 300 on light lol I wish I had someone who is extreamly good to help me at the time.
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21. PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 4:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree that beginner mode is a waste of time mostly because of the misleading tutorial...for most people, even those new to dancing games would find that mode a bit too easy. I started out on Light and jumped to Heavy about a month afterwards...if you need help, use lesson mode. That helped me out a great deal when I first began.
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22. PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 6:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't believe that beginner mode is a waste of time. For all of the experts out there that have been playing it for 1-2 years, yes, it will be a waste of time for them... on the other hand, though, you have to take into consideration those who have just begun and would like to learn to game. You can't expect someone that has never danced or anything in their lives to just pick this up immediatly. For example: 2 weeks ago i was playing DDR at Great Lakes Crossing and there was a crowd watching. One lady asked me, "How do you know that you're hitting the right arrows? How do you know when to hit the arrows?". Of course i explained it to her in great detail, i wasn't going to leave her guessing. It made me feel really akward because of the fact that she couldn't see where and when to hit them.... but then again that is why there is beginner mode.

It may be a waste of time to most experienced DDR players, but you must take into consideration those who are not as "highly trained" as the rest of us. As the old saying goes, "Practice, Practice, Practice!" and that is what Beginner mode is teaching them.

So, in conclusion, respect beginners and respect beginner mode. It may not be useful to you, but at least it's helping another person take one more step towards getting better. nerd.gif
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23. PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 9:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I started out in beginner mode knowing full well that I wasn't supposed to put my foot back in the center all the time. I played beginner for about a week then moved up to light.

In my opinion beginner is great for learning the beat because there are so few notes that you really have to concentrate on the beat to hit them at the right time. Light mode is easier to keep the beat if you ask me because there is more or less a constant stream of 1/4 notes.

Now a few months later I can do anything on standard and most heavy 7 feet or less.
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24. PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 10:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, it's a waste of time & space, just like this thread.

It teaches people to return to da middle, which you should NEVER EVAR do (Strangly, people dat I know do Beginner & don't return to da center)

Just make Lesson Mode Beginner with Bus & Train (Bus is da Guy & Train is da Girl & yes, those are REALLY their names...)
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25. PostPosted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 1:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bemani-man wrote:
Beginner Mode is like 9828479587294387253^823527395723985 times harder than Heavy. Haven't you played Tamayura?! frown.gif[/Stepmania joke]


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26. PostPosted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 1:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Kai-Hikari wrote:
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Back in my day, there was no Beginner Mode. E15.gif I don't use it but if Konami wants to stick it on their games, it makes no difference to me.


Hey, I thought the very first DDR had beginner mode... Was the first one at the arcade different from the first one for the PS1?


None of the early arcade mixes had Beginner Mode, nor did any console version prior to the Max series.


DDR USA, one of the earliest arcade mixes, had Beginner Mode, and it was VERY misleading for me since I did learn how to return to the center, and next time I found an arcade machine, I failed horribly. biggrin.gif
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27. PostPosted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 3:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i dont do begginer mode. ive never done it in my life.
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28. PostPosted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 4:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Beginner is not a waste of time, but I do believe DDR should let them fail (end of song, perhaps). The beginners will believe they passed it and try to do harder things, then fail miserably and wonder why they can't do this.

By the way, my dad passed YMCA Beginner first try on his first day. He was on Light the next day, passing songs like nobody's business.
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29. PostPosted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 4:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I learned on Dreamcast Club Version, so I was used to Vivid, 1x, Off Beat songs, and bend over the table timing.

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30. PostPosted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 6:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Beginner Mode is NOT a waste of time...

I've had a lot of people over at my house when I only played on the home version, and they couldn't really figure it out...

-When to hit the arrow
-OMGz look two arrows
-why is this one faster?

It gets some of the basic concepts in for the game, and does allow three or more songs for the money.

At the arcade, I saw a couple of people try to start playing, using beginner, and they kept getting Ds and Cs over and over. When I started playing, some light songs were hard for me too.
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31. PostPosted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 6:26 pm    Post subject: Re: ytuzztu Reply with quote

pwnedyou wrote:
xoxoRenegadexoxo wrote:
Hey Grimm-Dog. I never did a single Beginner song, i started on Light for like two days and then i was on Standard. In my opinion, beginner mode is a waste of time.t


It only took you 2 days to get to standard?! shocked.gif How many hours a day did you play? I've been doing it for 6 days and still can't get to standard and it is so frustrating.


Good god people, SLOW THE FRICK DOWN!!! Dont beatyourself up because you dont have the gift instantly, as he did. It took me about 3 weeks to get to standard (i could pass at two, but a at three). dont worry, itll come. BY the way, I was just on light 2s and 3s in six days. It took a while for me, but im now on 8 to 9 foot heavies. Its not how long it takes you, its how good you are.
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32. PostPosted: Fri Jul 15, 2005 8:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I certainly don't think beginner mode is a waste of time. People who have never played before who want to give it a try need to start somewhere. As for the autofail, how discouraging would it be if you're giving it your all on beginner and you fail halfway through? Plus newbie's who just feel like giving it a shot probably don't want to waste their money on a game that's only going to let them hit ten steps, then swallow their $.75 because they couldn't cut the grade.

As for returning to the center, no, you're not supposed to return to the center of the pad when playing on standard+, even some light songs, but it's a good learning strategy when starting out. It helps you learn to keep to the beat of the song, as well as helping you learn how to coordinate between your feet and your brain. Eventually you learn to keep off the center and manouever around the pad to pass more difficult songs.

Everyone has to start somewhere, and if beginner makes it easier to start out, why put it down? Obviously it's not going to be useful to some of the more advanced players, but cut the beginners some slack; nobody starts off on a 10 footer. It's not wasting your time or money by having a beginner mode available.
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33. PostPosted: Fri Jul 15, 2005 7:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Off topic: Is it weird that my friend can A 9 footers and yet he returns to the center?

On topic: No i dont thinks its a waste of time. The first (and only) time my mom tried it was on beginner and she had a blast.
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34. PostPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 5:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bigboy23456 wrote:
Beginner mode is misleading. It shows the person returning to the center after she hits a note.


Good call, that's probably why beginner mode players are more slow to progress than people who used Lesson mode...
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35. PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 9:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Beginner Mode is NOT a waste of time...

I've had a lot of people over at my house when I only played on the home version, and they couldn't really figure it out...

1-When to hit the arrow
2-OMGz look two arrows
3-why is this one faster?
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The number 1 n' 2 can be learned in the "How to do it screen "....& the number 3 you can see the speed before playing the song....n' if you are talking about 1/8 arrows..in begonner mode there aren't 1/8 arrows......so...beginner mode is still being a waste of time E1.gif
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36. PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 10:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh come on, Beginner mode obviously has significance.

Setekhx wrote:
Beginner mode actually does more harm than good in some cases. It makes people believe going back to the middle is the right thing to do. It also gives them the time to go back to the middle so they do so cause the figure says it. If you want to play it go ahead but you really only need to play it for 3 songs or so before you get the basic flow of whats going on. After that you should move to light to push yourself and get the flow better. This is all my opinion though


Actually going back to the middle IS the right thing to do at that level of gameplay. It's NOT misleading, it's called a learning strategy (like psisar said). If you don't return to the middle, the player will be confused as hell because he/she will always be out of balance to strike the next arrow. Remember, these players have NO prior experience.
DDR isn't gonna immediately teach you not to go back to the middle if you don't even have enough foot-eye coordination to hold your own balance when striking arrows. Common sense, people. That's why there are learning strategies.

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Beginner Mode is NOT a waste of time...

I've had a lot of people over at my house when I only played on the home version, and they couldn't really figure it out...

1-When to hit the arrow
2-OMGz look two arrows
3-why is this one faster?
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The number 1 n' 2 can be learned in the "How to do it screen "....& the number 3 you can see the speed before playing the song....n' if you are talking about 1/8 arrows..in begonner mode there aren't 1/8 arrows......so...beginner mode is still being a waste of time E1.gif


The "How to Play" screen alone isn't as good as the Beginner system. Anyone can grasp the concept of stepping on "THIS" arrow when it reaches "THIS" point if they watched a screen showing them that. But it fails to reinforce how often you'll have to move your feet back and forth because the arrows move at a faster and consistent rate than they do in the "How to Play" screen. Beginner mode has the same "How to Play" screen, and also shows you a way to position yourself in-game...which is just enough help to get used to the basics of striking arrows after two songs. Waste of time? I think not.
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the only problem ive ever had with n00bs getting into DDR and playing on beginner is that they tend to complain alot if they dont know whats gion on or they ask alot of questions about random stuf that is just common sense.
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Actually going back to the middle IS the right thing to do at that level of gameplay. It's NOT misleading, it's called a learning strategy (like psisar said). If you don't return to the middle, the player will be confused as hell because he/she will always be out of balance to strike the next arrow. Remember, these players have NO prior experience.
DDR isn't gonna immediately teach you not to go back to the middle if you don't even have enough foot-eye coordination to hold your own balance when striking arrows. Common sense, people. That's why there are learning strategies.



if you start playing like that ( going back to the center of the pad) it will be more difficult to pass to other level...instead of doing that you start playing in light and you can start practicing other kind of "strategy" a better strategy to play...and also you can get that balance that you need...because (rectifying) if you play in beginnner, you go to the center , your subconscience learns to do that...when you go to the next level..you have to learn other kind of balance..and your subconsciece will not let you do it after a great time...and losing time is for lazy people
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When I first started playing, I was at a friend's apartment, so I didn't have to worry about failing and wasting money. I started on light mode (never did Beginner), but I still returned to the center after every arrow - I had time to do it, and I thought it would help me keep the beat and keep centered. The next day, I got my first A and then my first AA back to back (both on light songs), but whenever I played after that, I couldn't seem to do any better. Finally, one of my friends told me to stop returning to the center, and once I stopped, I passed my first standard song first try. After a month or so of on-and-off playing, I was playing on heavy mode.

Beginner mode is useful only for people at an arcade who want to try the game without having to worry about wasting money. It is no good for any players who want to take the game seriously.
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