Konami Submits an Amended Version of Its Lawsuit

Thomas Hobbes · Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 10:29 am Post subject:

Yeah, Konami is simply defending their patents.

Frankly, I bet they all deserve this. They all knew about the patents that Konami did file especially in the case of RoXoR. Didn't they have lawyers that knew about this too?
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Xatu23456 · Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 11:18 am Post subject:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!

I don't care if I get warning points for that
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Setzer · Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 11:35 am Post subject:

With the unhappy little chillun craving a new dance game, but Roxor getting sued to oblivion and Konami being "boycotted" by so many little ones, does this make for the startings of a PIU fanbase migration?

Boy I hope so! <3

*waves 5 arrowed flags*
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novamaster0 · Trick Member Joined: 20 Feb 2005

dude you microwaving your DDR games is like those guys who bought the 18,000 dollars of french wine and flushed it down the toilet does it make a diffrence NO
Konami has already recived your money

I know this is talking about the game but what about just the dance pads would those also disappear I was planning on buying a nice foam RO for 100 at EB should I make it a higher priority if they are soon to disappear

really Konami if you made a harder mat people would prbly buy it too

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Darkforce · Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 12:12 pm Post subject:

The thing is I myself wouldn't care much about this lawsuit against Roxor, IF KONAMI ACTUALLY MADE SOME DECENT DDR GAMES! Konami have had years to capture our hearts and keep us interested in their games but they've just been sooo dam lazy... hello, a new arcade release for the US anywhen? Maybe increase the availability of legal upgrade kits? And then DS Fusion (the most recent AC release) was one massive step backwards for the genre..., but to make things worse I can't even play EM2 anyone because most of the machines have been replaced with Fusion cabinets... Roxor isn't hurting Konami's profits, Konami's kicking itself in the crotch.

If Konami spent even half half the time they've spent on these lawsuits improving the quality of the DDR franchise, they wouldn't need to be chasing down Roxor or whoever because our money would be going into Konami pockets instead.

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Thomas Hobbes · Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 12:43 pm Post subject:

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my beef.

konami hasnt released a ddr mix for ANY region on the face of the earth since 2002 (sorry, fusion doesnt count)

and

ddr hasnt had a usa release since ddr usa.. and i think the words "For sale and use in japan only" means...for use in japan only. poopy all for songs in any extreme cab are licensed for use in north america. edit: and, 99% of the machines i've seen in ontario canada all use BOOTLEG UPGRADE KITS ANYWAY. kthx

i could understand konami freaking out if itg was in japan as direct competition. but. most of japan doesnt even have cabinets anymore. they are all over here!

now..the home mixes, i would think that konami would be more concerned with those..those are big money makers for konami, in comparson to an arcade market they havnt bothered with in years...konami needs to listen to the fans who line their wallets. flat out.

like, how long can we play the same bemani/jpop songs year after year, and still not be bored with them? at least roxor is making an effort, and even listening to those who support them.

konami is nothing more then a bunch of japanese 80yr old business men worried about their 100 million dollar retirement funds.

frick them.
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Thomas Hobbes · Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 12:57 pm Post subject:

Which is more recent? DDR 1.5 or USA? Those are the only US releases in the arcade of DDR, if I recall correctly.

Konami is concerned about the home releases. That's why they added Mad Catz and RedOctane to the suit. RedOctane is the publisher of ITG for the home. Mad Catz released a game for home usage, as they don't have it in the arcade for that Mad Catz Groove thing (thank god).

Oh, and we should of known. Extreme was their last mix. It even says that on all the marquees, something to the effect off:

"THANKS TO NEXT GENERATION DDR PLAYER. WE ARE STARTING OVER!" There's even a credit screen sort of thing in the home version of Extreme in Japan.
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whitewulfe · Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 3:17 pm Post subject:

So they're defending their patents, which they're legally allowed to... But wouldn't one be able to throw the wild card of the fact that there are no more planned arcade releases into that, and screw things up? If you are no longer producing something (aka arcade), then there are laws out there that state that if you abandon that, it becomes abandonware... Or something to that effect... Doesn't it?

They should have no legal claim to ITG or PIU, because Konami no longer is producing any more mixes at the arcade... Sure they're cranking out pathetic home mixes, but that's not the same as cranking out more arcade mixes...

I'd have a different opinion if they had made an arcade mix since 2001 or whenever Extreme was released, but seeing that it's been a few years... Konami should let it go, they let the ball drop, they should suffer the consequences of such a business decision.

*dons fireproof suit*
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PedanticOmbudsman, why are you going to stop there? Dude, you should totally microwave your PS2 (or any other console) that you've played a Konami game on, because now it's tainted! Smite the "evil" and get brand new consoles! But wait, your computer has probably viewed all kinds of DDR info! Damn, you'd better take a magnet to your hard drive and do a reinstall of your software. Oh, and make sure that you take all of your gaming magazines and cut out and burn all the articles and ads relating to Konami and their products. You don't want their immorality to offend your morally just eyes. Hmmm...your hands and feet have been used to play Konami games. They're now unworthy of touching ITG! Don't fret, though. You can try some bleach, but your best bet is probably to boil your hands and feet for a few minutes. Then you're all set to go on your merry moral way!

Seriously, dude, you need to chill out. If you're going to spout words like "morally correct," stop for one minute and ask if what Roxor did was "morally correct." The ONLY reason that ITG exists is because the people at Roxor...wait for it...wanted to make money. Seriously, do you think they are some kind of charity or non-profit organization? If they just wanted to give players "more challenge" or whatever nonesense for dance games, they could have done what tons of other fans of DDR had done and released free stepfiles to homebrew songs to play on Dance With Intensity or Stepmania. No, Roxor wanted to make money, and they decided to do so by spending as little time as possible developing their own dance game style, basically ripping off DDR as completely as possible while throwing some new fluff on top in a vain attempt to conceal the truth of the matter. They used Stepmania practically unaltered, save for some additions to the 3-D capabilities of the software, which itself was a program designed to emulate Dance Dance Revolution as accurately as possible. Geez, Andamiro at least designed their own dance game from scratch and utilized completely different directions for their arrows as compared to DDR. Furthermore, the Boxor is just FURTHER evidence that Roxor thought they could simply take Konami's estabilished reputation with the DDR brand and use it to market their own imitation. The Boxor doesn't just compete with DDR by offering a game that is almost exactly the same. It by necessity obliterates a DDR machine for every Boxor installed! Moral?

Stop pretending like this is some kind of struggle of good over evil, like all of our immortal souls hang in the ballance. Roxor is not some Robin Hood of dance gaming. It is a company that got caught with its hand in Konami's cookie jar.

BTW, if your microwave could talk, you probably would never know. It'd be "beeping" at you all the same since I'm sure your morally just ears automatically filter out obscenities for you. Yes, I'm sure your microwave is quite peeved that you've damaged its magnatron so you could nuke som CDs to feel good about yourself

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