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20. PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Admittedly the bar helps on songs like Infection EX and Vertex EX.... but once you get the steps down you can use the "hot foot" method mentioned above and do just fine
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21. PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 5:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You think you hate mines now? Try Lemmings on the Run or Tell on Expert. disgust.gif
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22. PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 10:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Two very basic methods of mine avoidance are:

1. Jump really high like an idiot
2. Return to the center of the pad like a newbie
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23. PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2005 5:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

u make it obvious i should use a bar
i think it be that easy cuz i got a couch RIGHT behind me, but ill make room
tanks for all da help, i still cant pass verTex Hard, *grumble*mines*grumble*
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24. PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2005 5:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[ARRR]da_captain wrote:
You need a bar of some sort. As far as I can tell the point of mines is to screw over people who don't use the bar. If you're playing at home then improvise some sort of chair-bar, it will help enormously.
I've passed VerTex no bar without hitting a mine, and I've *'d Disconnected Mobius no bar with an FC + no mines + no dropped freezes.

Mines are there to be avoided however is most convenient, bar or no bar. E10.gif
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25. PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2005 11:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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26. PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2005 4:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the best way really is to get bouncy and jump high, it looks stupid but it really works... start with lemmings expert with the hurdles... once you get that down you should have a good feel for it.
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27. PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2005 5:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lemmings and Disconnected Mobius are 2 very different things.

Lemmings forces you to be able to jump over quad mines and forces you not to leave your feet in places.

DM forces you to be able to differenciate steps within a flood of mines and basically be able to follow arrows with mines as distractions.

The first is MUCH harder to do than the latter, as i FC no mine *'d DM on my first try and did the same to Lemmings much later. Lemming's is just a step up from romeo and juliet's mine flood, as instead of forcing you to step patters of 1, its patterns of 3.

Though, then there's further tricky stuff like Hardcore Of The North's jump step jump step jump portion, which is worse than both in my opinion. Vertex's mine's are a breeze. It's the STEPS of the song one should be worrying about.
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28. PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2005 10:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hot Fire Neko wrote:
Lemmings forces you to stand in the middle during quad mines.
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29. PostPosted: Sat Jul 02, 2005 7:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Meh. For lemmings i honestly just stream the middle metal panel as a step during the mines and continue the streams.

It's EASILY jumpable though.
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30. PostPosted: Sat Jul 02, 2005 2:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For myself, I do all sorts of different things depending on the song.

Like for Lemmings, I keep one foot on the pad, but use the bar to handle myself from falling over.

I know in Hardcore of the North Hard there some mines too near-ish the start. I jump those because you need to switch feet in mid-air. I say it's easier to keep timeing because you know what you want both of your feet to do next.

I've acctually never played Disconnected Mobius. I'll try that sometime laugh.gif
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31. PostPosted: Sun Jul 03, 2005 8:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mines r doggy...(stupid censor but im getting better at last, but its still annoying cuz today i like almost every in lemmings devil.gif . Now, somebody tell how i "make" a bar cuz i cant use a chair, i have no room for one

My couch is RIGHT behind me when im dancing, kinda useful for when 10-11 footers kick my arse
but that leaves me no room for anything else behind me...

HELP ME i cant avoid mines without help from a bar first!
Ive tried a lot of things already i tried stacking pillows(lol), using a yoga balance ball(lmao) i dunno wut to do!
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32. PostPosted: Sun Jul 03, 2005 9:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

......with no room for a chair...i dunno...

...Ironing board? O.o
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33. PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 11:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I tried Disconnected Mobius.

I was jumping around like some kind of monkey O_o; (Seriously, one Leg higher than the other, arms curled in at the elbows). And I still hit quite a few mines laugh.gif
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34. PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 12:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Need_Stamina wrote:
mines r doggy...(stupid censor but im getting better at last, but its still annoying cuz today i like almost every in lemmings devil.gif . Now, somebody tell how i "make" a bar cuz i cant use a chair, i have no room for one

My couch is RIGHT behind me when im dancing, kinda useful for when 10-11 footers kick my arse
but that leaves me no room for anything else behind me...

HELP ME i cant avoid mines without help from a bar first!
Ive tried a lot of things already i tried stacking pillows(lol), using a yoga balance ball(lmao) i dunno wut to do!


Turn the couch around and hold the back?


So in Lemmings, is it best to go to the center? I've a tendency to try jumping them...(though I hit mines in the center anyway due to the ignition forcing me to be PERFECTLY DEAD CENTERED or an arrow sets off...-___- but that won't be an issue once we have our metal pads. =/)

Thing is, I'm not great at jumping into the center that fast. Tips, anyone...?
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35. PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 2:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hit the diagonals on mines like those then go back. That's why my score for Lemmings is so low. ;[ I'm too slow but at least I don't hit mines.
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36. PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 7:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fictional Funeral wrote:
Thing is, I'm not great at jumping into the center that fast. Tips, anyone...?


Usually I time it to a beat, as if I were playing Pump, and hitting the middle step. After a while, it grows on you like moss and you'll get more speed for the evasion.
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37. PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 9:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For Lemmings I hurdle 'em. Its quite fun when you get the timing down: leap!-- runrunrunrunrunrunrun leap!--- runrunrurunrunrunrun leap!-- biggrin.gif

Just get the timing down. For other songs I "hot potato" it, but again, its all about the timing. Once you start to get it, it gets easier, and slightly less ridiculous-looking. riiight.gif
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38. PostPosted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ok i tried wut u said, and turned the couch around, i just give up, the couch back is too low or im too tall

im bout 6'4" and the couch back is bout lil less than half my height

ill just make a bar some how
i give up...
thx for everyonnes help tho
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39. PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 12:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are different kinds of mines approaches. Each approach may be better or worse depending on the song.

Ignorable Mines - Seen a lot with jumps. If you jump L+R and the mines are U+D.... ignore them. You won't hit them.

Time-Accurate, ignorable mines - Similar to above, but you WILL hit the mines if you are off beat with the song. Zodiac has this in a few places.

Center-Jump mines - Usually all four panels have mines. They basically equate to a jump to the center panel.

Heel-Toeable mines - The best strategy for "minefield" songs (see Vertex, ROM-eo & Juli-8). Rest the center of your foot on the raised metal BETWEEN the two panels. Hit the arrows between the mines by tapping them with your heel or toe and immediately return your foot to the raised metal. Doesn't work for most homepads.

Take-them-like-a-man mines - Only seen in Hardcore of the North. Requires serious barraping to avoid.... But it's usually easier to accept your miney fate and hit them so you don't fail X-D
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