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Will ITG surpass DDR in popularity?
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40. PostPosted: Sat Jul 02, 2005 9:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

phonyreal wrote:
However, as of right now, ITGfreak has under 2000 members. DDRfreak has over 50000.


But DDRFreak isn't a DDR site, it's a dance gaming site that covers ITG, DDR, and sometimes PIU (as well as general Bemani / music game stuff to a lesser extent). DDRFreak is called DDRFreak because that's what it's always been called, since back in the day when DDR was the only dance game of any note. DDRFreak could arguably be called at least as much of an ITG site as a DDR site (if not even moreso); a plurality of its news coverage over the past six months or so has been about ITG.

Comparing DDRFreak to ITGFreak as a means of comparing DDR to ITG is extremely silly because DDRFreak probably has more ITG content than ITGFreak does. If you were to make a list of important ITG sites, DDRFreak and ITGFreak would BOTH be on the list. So if we only count those two sites, that's 52000 members of sites that cover ITG and only 50000 members of sites that cover DDR. See how silly this is?
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41. PostPosted: Sat Jul 02, 2005 10:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think people will just start calling ITG DDR anyways.

It's like Pepsi and Coke. Coke has better name recognition and it rolls of the tongue easier.
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42. PostPosted: Sat Jul 02, 2005 10:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't differentiate the two.
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43. PostPosted: Sat Jul 02, 2005 10:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Raiv Xomby wrote:
I think people will just start calling ITG DDR anyways.

It's like Pepsi and Coke. Coke has better name recognition and it rolls of the tongue easier.


Coke is DDR and Pepsi is ITG.
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44. PostPosted: Sat Jul 02, 2005 11:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vangulus The Great wrote:
Raiv Xomby wrote:
I think people will just start calling ITG DDR anyways.

It's like Pepsi and Coke. Coke has better name recognition and it rolls of the tongue easier.


Coke is DDR and Pepsi is ITG.


Indeed.
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45. PostPosted: Sun Jul 03, 2005 9:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PedanticOmbudsman wrote:

Okay, so your arcade has a lot of people show up on Friday night. Good for them. What about on Monday morning? Tuesday at noon? Wednesday at 11PM? Is the DDR machine always in use, from the arcade's opening to until closing, with never a moment idle? That's what I saw of ITG2 last week.


Actually, for being a crappy machine, there are always people on it. No matter when we go. I've had to wait two hours between turns on Monday mornings.
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46. PostPosted: Sun Jul 03, 2005 10:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I got ITG for Ps2, The first thing I did was turn off the hands and mines. Doing that was just making it exactly like DDR. So personally. I just use ITG as a stamina gainer, but will always stick with ddr. But I dont think ITG will pass DDR because its's been around so much longer. There's numerous ddr mixes for home systems and only 1 of itg. If ITG can make more home versions and ddr doesnt. Then I say maybe.
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47. PostPosted: Sun Jul 03, 2005 10:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

LegendaryR56 wrote:
yeah ITG will be better but i dont think it will ever live up to the popularity of DDR

Thats true... not even with the new ITG2 that came out has been too popular... I still like ITG better E15.gif
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48. PostPosted: Sun Jul 03, 2005 10:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DDR is like a marijuana habit. It starts off as something your friends introduce you to and you try it in someone's basement. Eventually you actually start paying for it, and it looks to the rest of the world that you've developed a habit. It drains your money and it seems kind of pointless. Even the friends that got you started think you've gone too far.


I look at ITG as the crack of DDR. Someone said earlier that DDR is like a gateway and I guess that's true. It's like moving from marijuana to crack. It's faster, harder to find, and way more hardcore. So will ITG surpass DDR in popularity?


I don't think so. Crack may fuck you up more, but more people are going to be drawn to weed because it's safer. So once again...

DDR=Weed
ITG=Crack
Weed will always be more popular than crack, so therefore, in terms of popularity...

DDR>ITG
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49. PostPosted: Sun Jul 03, 2005 10:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I dont really agree but sure so far iuts DDR > ITG but eventually if DDR doesnt do something ITG will probably be at the same level DDR=ITG disturb.gif
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50. PostPosted: Sun Jul 03, 2005 12:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

altosven, your analogy is very true but simultaneously, quite disturbing as well.
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51. PostPosted: Sun Jul 03, 2005 4:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PedanticOmbudsman wrote:
DDRfreak has over 50000.


Ever heard of sock puppet accounts or "pyrofreezing?" There are over 50,000 usernames that have been at use or attempted to be at use at one time, but that doesn't count the number of actual users. It's like saying there are several billion credit card users because many users have multiple cards, and some businesses have all of those subaccounts for travelling employees.

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But I dont think ITG will pass DDR because its's been around so much longer.


Like the Duck Hunt series kept Time Crisis and its ilk from making it big...
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Shinmizu wrote:
Like the Duck Hunt series kept Time Crisis and its ilk from making it big...


Hell yea, I still play Duck Hunt and nothing else. Next Generation games suck ass. NES games are the wave of forever. That's why they stopped making them, they just got too awesome.
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Ladies and gents, there is a third option that I think we may all be forgetting. It is possible that neither of the dancing giants will surpass the other, but locked in an eternal battle. ITG will have fanboys, DDR will have fanboys, and the rest of us will use both.
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54. PostPosted: Sun Jul 03, 2005 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Assuming we are talking about a primarily American/Canadian market, I think ITG will definetely surpass DDR. The developers seem to genuinly care about the product, and being domestic, they have more of a connection to the scene. After the website/forums for my local reigon split into two, I ended up mostly disconnected from the DDR scene, and basically quit DDR and all music-related games for about 4 months. There was no more interest in it for me. When I went to an arcade for a friend's party, and they had ITG, I knew I had to play it. I was rusty and out of shape, but ITG resparked my love for the whole genre.

DDR is stale. ITG is fresh. It would take something might creative out of Konami to un-stale DDR. ITG is the better game, and it will definetly surpass DDR in terms of popularity.
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55. PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2005 8:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the question you people have actually been answering is will ITG be better than DDR. the Coke/Pepsi analogy is very true except MOST OF THE PEOPLE IN THE US HAVE NO FREAKING IDEA WHAT ITG IS! even though it is "on shelves" in the U.S. I havent seen it anywhere! ITG to the average person is "that thing like DDR....I think.....except with time bombs" ITG is just too complicated to work for the average american idiot.(very similar to PIU) I believe PIU could easily be in competition with DDR but its so frickin confusing to operate the machine! I dont think ITG is any lesser than DDR but If DDR quit making console and arcade mixes, it would still be more popular for at least 10 years. I havent seen any ads for ITG (except at a ddr tourney) but I have seen tons of DDR ads.
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Shinmizu wrote:
Like the Duck Hunt series kept Time Crisis and its ilk from making it big...


Thank you. Thank you, for pointing that out.

In the videogame world, customer loyalty takes a harsh back seat to the new and refreshing. If a game falls behind and becomes obsolete, it will probably die, no matter how many people once loved it.

To stay fresh and exciting, the popular games have changed with the times. Side-scrolling Mario turned into a platformer; The Legend of Zelda saw a huge re-vamp in Ocarina of Time, and then again in Wind Waker, and so on. If a game changes, then it can still succeed.

Unfortunately, ITG displays many of the changes that could have made DDR seem new and intriguing again. Mines and hands add a new dimension to the game, which arguably keeps it fresh.

DDR has seen changes as well, of course. But no one liked the Eyetoy gimmick, so if DDR will survive the test of time, it had better move forward as well. It may take years for it to happen, but it could end up eating ITG's dust.
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[RiVAL] Julie Q wrote:
I think we all know the status of the arcade versions, and a lot of people aren't so psyched about the home versions. Most of the people where I play barely touch DDR anymore (8otB has had ITG for what, over a year now?). I think unless Konami magically pulls an arcade version out of their ass, which is highly unlikely with the status of the arcade machines in Japan, then ITG will sooner or later be dubbed the successor.

If Konami, or anybody, for that matter pulled something out of their ass, it would sure stink!!! laugh.gif
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Well, you can like DDR and worry about ITG being better and wasting money...

Or you can play ITG and saying that DDR is old and crusty and stupid...

...but do what I do. Play both machines, and put both types of songs on stepmania E1.gif
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59. PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2005 3:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

phonyreal wrote:
If Konami, or anybody, for that matter pulled something out of their ass, it would sure stink!!! laugh.gif


Why? Didn't you know that the BeForU girls fart potpourri and Naoki's droppings are pure platinum? Don't think to deride Konami's collective ass as being on the same level as the typical human ass.
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